On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Alastair Johnson wrote:

Every ISP at Every IX? Does it end at ISPs? What about universities, for instance? What about satellite networks where the uplink isn't necessarily NZ based?

At their local (to their primary centre of operations) IX, obviously. And I'm envisaging xx,000 being a sufficiently high number that only the University of Auckland (with around 40,000 FTE students) would even come close.

Are you going to pay for my long haul circuits to Palmy?

Is your primary centre of operations in Palmy? No? Why would you peer in Palmy, then?

Doesn't sound like it would work so well, to me. If we said only the "major" IXs, what happens when the poor guy in Christchurch signs up his XX,000th customer and is forced to peer... but isn't getting access to the Big Boys?

Realistically, how many ISPs that are based outside AKL/WLG stand any chance of getting 50+,000 users? Remembering that of the top five, unless something has changed a lot in recent times, only Xtra and the TCL stable are > 100k.

Regulated peering sounds very scary to me...

Only if one takes it to absurdity. If it's regulated in such a way that only the very largest players could be affected, and the requirement on which IX(s) is based around centre(s) of operations, it's easily defined, easily enforced, and as I said won't really affect anyone other than TCL and TCNZ. Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university in the country, certainly peers at APE. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."