RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
"Kefyn Judson (ENZ)"
01/11/02 12:19 [...] What is the point of us getting together? I'm not knocking it here, but if we can identify our reasons for getting together we should be able to identify which setup would work for us.
Is it for networking? For chewing over a specific issue? For hands on workshopping something (perhaps all the Spam killing ideas of late :-)?) For discussing how to encourage, for instance multicast, growth in the NZ market?
Have a clear purpose up front would help ensure that we are heading in the right direction and help prevent it degenerating into a talkfest.
There's been little feedback so far on this. My own guess is that that is because there is not just a single reason why people go to conferences. Partly, it's to learn things from the formal programme. Partly, it's to learn things informally. Vendors will be there in part to promote their brand and quitew possible to sell specific products or services. Potential buyers may actually want to know about specific prodiucts or services. Some attendees will be there in part simply to meet people whom its valuable in different ways to know. And not everyone is expected to be interested in every subject discussed, either. If not stopped, I'll proceed on the assumption that we can plan to do something without seeking a unifying reason for it. However, if people who would attend in the right circumstances do have goals they think we should be aiming to achieve, now's the time to speak up. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Donald Neal wrote:
If not stopped, I'll proceed on the assumption that we can plan to do something without seeking a unifying reason for it. However, if people who would attend in the right circumstances do have goals they think we should be aiming to achieve, now's the time to speak up.
I think you need to have some goal here. I'd be interested in this meeting IFF it's technical - if we get marketing and sales types there I won't be nearly as interested (possibly one of the understatements of 2002). Perhaps it would be useful to revisit out terms of reference - see below. I'm sure Donald will be keeping these points in mind but I'd like others to consider them too. I'd suggest that some form of program committee need to be consituted - this event need to be content driven not event driven. Let's think about organising the event when we have something that looks like a program that people want to see/hear. The program committee could be the list if we want to keep the process informal for now. If someone thinks they have something that people might want to hear about post a short description and see who shows some interest. The beer item on the proposed agenda will take of itself once we have the rest of the schedule sorted - it goes at the end of the formal proceedings. --- NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 08:01, Andy Linton wrote:
I think you need to have some goal here. I'd be interested in this meeting IFF it's technical - if we get marketing and sales types there I won't be nearly as interested (possibly one of the understatements of 2002).
Perhaps it would be useful to revisit out terms of reference - see below. I'm sure Donald will be keeping these points in mind but I'd like others to consider them too. I'd suggest that some form of program committee need to be consituted - this event need to be content driven not event driven. Let's think about organising the event when we have something that looks like a program that people want to see/hear.
I think that it would also be useful to look at the niche we fill in the industry. For example. We don't want to have content that fits into the Governance or Legislative domain because thats for ISOCNZ. We also might want to stay away from the wider Open Systems issues, because thats for Uniforum to address. This list is for Technical Network issues only. So things that I would not be happy to see in an NZNOG conference. . "A detailed look at the politics of neutral peering" . "Security issues of your favorite Linux distro" . "Domainz" (I'm going to get flamed on this one. but I don't think that there are any TECHNICAL issues that need to be discussed.) Things that I think are slightly more appropriate. . "An explanation of how new net technology X could be deployed in NZ" . "Detailed look at protocol X" . "Hands on workshop to install and demonstrate X." You get my point. We are a technical list, it should be a technical conference. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Andy Linton
I think you need to have some goal here. I'd be interested in this meeting IFF it's technical - if we get marketing and sales types there I won't be nearly as interested (possibly one of the understatements of 2002).
One of the problems here is that conference organisers have to take what they can get, within reason. Obviously, you can influence this by specifying a theme in the call for papers, but if you ask for papers on gonkulators, and no-one wants to present about gonkulators, you don't have a programme.
The program committee could be the list if we want to keep the process informal for now. If someone thinks they have something that people might want to hear about post a short description and see who shows some interest.
I dimly recall pretty much single-handedly organising the programme (and quite a lot else besides) for the 1992 DECUS Forum -- this was a three day event with three streams, and about 120 attendees. The programme organisation fell to me because I had time, and because the programme subcommittee (which I wasn't even on) had failed to confirm any papers by the time the draft programme had to be published. I begged for extra time and spent two days on the phone chasing up contributions and a third getting the progress report and draft programme written up. The lesson was that someone has to be responsible for the programme, and that someone has to be in a position to deliver -- volunteers are helpful, but if you want the thing done, someone needs to take charge. No, I'm not volunteering... The DECUS Forum was the smaller, more technically focused event that DECUS ran each year (there was a larger Conference) and was always held in February so that we could use University facilities and halls of residence. That kept the costs down to manageable proportions so that techies could attend regularly. Is that a factor worth keeping in mind for an NZNOG gathering? Oh, and I'll put in a vote for either Wellington or Hamilton, for purely self-centred reasons. 8-) -- don - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
participants (4)
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Andy Linton
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Dean Pemberton
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Don Stokes
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Donald Neal