On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Andy - Where is the celt.nz proposal. THERE is one I'll vote for.

If bank.nz passes, I'm happy to move forward with geek.nz! Though, I must say, who really cares. Who cares if there are 10, 100, or 10,000 second-tier domains under the .nz umbrella. It'd mean .. *gasp* that you couldn't use the DNS like a freaking phone book, but you can't do that anyway. It's impact on the databases, from a technical level, would be fairly minimal - you'd just be removing a hash level, and a very coarsely grained one at that. Does it really matter if another 10 2nd-tier names get added, regardless of if they are silly or sane? bank.nz, celt.nz, geek.nz, sco.nz, ico.nz, nodepressionin.nz, what does it matter? The DNS is _not_ a phone book. That being said, I am amused at the concept of all of (or most of) the major ISP's getting together and announcing that ISOCNZ is being too silly, and that they are collectively filtering out Domains That Suck. What, exactly, would ICONZ do under those circumstances? My guess - lawsuits, and lots of 'em. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Fun will now commence. "The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy." - Drago Museveni C.Y. 8427 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:53:21 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:

How about this:

Once the SRS is running and has passed tests (tests conceived by someone other than a baboon), .nz's SLD is opened up to allcomers?

That exact proposition (plus other possible changes) is planned to indeed be the subject of consultation and review next year. Andy Linton amongst others has been pushing for this for some time and it was going to be reviewed and considered this year but as you suggested, we decided it was best to wait until the SRS is in place. It is pretty rare for a ccTLD to abolish a 2LD structure but one other ccTLD has done it in recent times - I can;'t recall which one but Steven Heath knows. DPF -- david(a)farrar.com ICQ 29964527 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 02:37:47PM -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:

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but one other ccTLD has done it in recent times - I can;'t recall which one but Steven Heath knows.

.ca opened up their SLD a while back, but I don't think they threw away the existing infrastructure.

Right, it's still there. CA used a province/city hierarchy according to how widely the registering entity was incorporated: federally- incorporated entities got myname.ca, entities only incorporated in Ontario (say) got myname.on.ca, and entities with no incorporation living in (say) St Thomas, Ontario got myname.st-thomas.on.ca. Any single entity was only allowed one name. Registrations were free. There was a cabal^Wcommittee on which representatives from various big ISPs sat and interpreted the elaborate rules for each and every registration application. I don't know the details, but I am guessing this did not scale. Who knows, politics may have been involved. Maybe a buffoon or three. Now CIRA runs the registry. Registrations are not free any more, and various restrictions have been removed. It's now possible for anybody to register names at federal, provincial and municipal level without corresponding restrictions on scope or incorporation. Some restrictions remain, like residency/citizenship. This effectively removes the requirement for the provincial/municipal hierarchy, without disbanding it. I have yet to meet an internet user who has been confused by this; however, the fact that there have always been organisation-looking names hung directly under CA probably helped. For the record, I am all in favour of maori.nz, and I am also in favour of bank.nz. I'm also in favour of $foo.nz, where $foo is any label permitted by RFC1035, for which there is not currently a delegation under NZ, and I am most definitely in favour of $foo.nz being delegated several thousand times per month without a single meeting being held, public or otherwise. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 08:59, Lin Nah wrote:

All in favour of geek.nz say aye!

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Ok ok ok - Public pressure has forced me to do this.. http://deanpemberton.com/geek.nz Have a look at the proposal everyone - and feel free to mail me any changes you might have. It is still draft. I'm still not sure if I want to formally present this. But if the feedback is positive then I'm sure we can work something out. Oh yeah and I get 'a.geek.nz' and 'the.geek.nz' =) Dean On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:26:53AM +1200, Steven Heath wrote:

Quoting Jeremy Brooking :

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On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 08:59, Lin Nah wrote:

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All in favour of geek.nz say aye!

Aye!

It is trivial to write an application that would met the requirements for it to enter the 2LD approval/creation process.

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Matt Sullivan wrote:

Isn't this where Peter Mott steps in with 'buffoo.nz'? ;)

I don't think that would be one of his domai.nz Keith Davidson - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, J S Russell wrote:

That being said, I am amused at the concept of all of (or most of) the major ISP's getting together and announcing that ISOCNZ is being too silly, and that they are collectively filtering out Domains That Suck.

What, exactly, would ICONZ do under those circumstances? My guess - lawsuits, and lots of 'em.

More to the point, assuming the 'bank.nz' proposal goes ahead, what would the banks do under those circumstances? See JSR's suggestion above. As for blocking 'bank.nz', the telcos and other businesses will agree to block this. As the Tui ad says.... I suggest people vote for this proposal. Why? Because every new second level domain makes it easier to get rid of the second level structure hence devaluing the very thing these wankers think is important. Dean asked where my proposal for 'celt.nz' is. How many people on this list can claim at least one great grandparent of Celtic origin? That includes Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Cornish, Isle of Man, Breton. So let's make a case for such a domain. It makes the same sort of sense as 'maori.nz' and a whole heap more sense than 'bank.nz'. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

At 10:52 AM +1200 8/27/02, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Having the banks one fail again and a geek or celt one get in HAS to be the ultimate slap in the face.

Get's my vote. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog