Thanks to Juha and David for the replies.... we are on a Citylink connection to Netlink and could get anywhere inside NZ but until 5:30pm approx could get no further... My sister rang me to see what was up also as she could not log in to Paradise via phone... Mind you I'd still like the courtesy of a call from Telstra Saturn to explain the problem...... after all I'm a business and paying business rates for a service.... Ian --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog