Hi,
Does anyone from recent (last 1-2 years) experience have a ballpark figure
of what it costs to run fibre privately in a rural setting these days?
Indicative price per meter for planning, consents, trenching, installing
the duct and then blowing the fibre through?
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On 1 September 2015 at 10:11, Jesse Archer
Does anyone from recent (last 1-2 years) experience have a ballpark figure of what it costs to run fibre privately in a rural setting these days?
Indicative price per meter for planning, consents, trenching, installing the duct and then blowing the fibre through?
If you want to use road reserve (which would involve planning & consents), first get yourself declared a network operator. https://gazette.govt.nz/home/NoticeSearch?act=Network+operators&soloRedirect=false&sortField=PublicationDate&sortOrder=ASC Then have an *informal* chat with the council about what you want to do before you start on the paperwork. Depending on where you're working you could spend between $20-40k/kilometre. If you want to use entirely private land and you have permission from the owners, there's no planning or consent required. Trenching costs vary wildly depending on the kind of land, how deep, how remote, and what sort of restoration is needed afterwards. You could spend less than $5k/kilometre using direct-bury G652.D under ideal conditions. Don't forget plenty of pits and slack loops.
On 1/09/15 12:36, Jonathan Brewer wrote:
If you want to use entirely private land and you have permission from the owners, there's no planning or consent required.
You may still want to talk to your lawyer about, eg, registered rights of way over the private land -- particularly if you need a fibre run across owner A's land to provide service to owner B. Even if the existing owner A says "sure, no worries" because they like owner B, some years down the track when a bunch of circumstances change it might be a problem. So, eg, something registered on the property title could provide more protection if you're building a for-third-party service on it. In a rural setting an option for using private land might be to try to get a geographic group of land owners all to agree to a fibre plan that provides service, and then get a lawyer to write it up/everyone to sign it (perhaps, eg, with those whose land is used/needs access for maintenance getting some discount). Ewen PS: Do note that those low end costs are "under ideal conditions". This really is a "YMMV" situation :-)
If passing over private land, you will need to get an easement - which a surveyor will need to come out and register in the land records at LINZ. Many land owners will want to be paid to sell you the easement rights. Ewen makes a very good point about future disputes and the only way to avoid it is by having easements. When a landowner sells the land, the new landowner will know that you have a pre-existing right to a certain route across the land and access so you can maintain the buried plant by means of the easement. However getting easements can be expensive. Especially if you need to cross multiple properties and one in the middle wants to be an ass about it. Ray Taylor Taylor Communications ray(a)ruralkiwi.com Napier: 06-929-9082 Waipukurau: 06-928-0549 -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Ewen McNeill Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2015 1:21 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Rural Fibre Deployment On 1/09/15 12:36, Jonathan Brewer wrote:
If you want to use entirely private land and you have permission from the owners, there's no planning or consent required.
You may still want to talk to your lawyer about, eg, registered rights of way over the private land -- particularly if you need a fibre run across owner A's land to provide service to owner B. Even if the existing owner A says "sure, no worries" because they like owner B, some years down the track when a bunch of circumstances change it might be a problem. So, eg, something registered on the property title could provide more protection if you're building a for-third-party service on it. In a rural setting an option for using private land might be to try to get a geographic group of land owners all to agree to a fibre plan that provides service, and then get a lawyer to write it up/everyone to sign it (perhaps, eg, with those whose land is used/needs access for maintenance getting some discount). Ewen PS: Do note that those low end costs are "under ideal conditions". This really is a "YMMV" situation :-) _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:36, Jonathan Brewer wrote:
If you want to use entirely private land and you have permission from the owners, there's no planning or consent required. Trenching costs vary wildly depending on the kind of land, how deep, how remote, and what sort of restoration is needed afterwards. You could spend less than $5k/kilometre using direct-bury G652.D under ideal conditions. Don't forget plenty of pits and slack loops.
I will seize the opportunity to plug these URLs: http://b4rn.org.uk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYaAd5ubok ("Broadband for the last 5%") This is (to me) an innovative approach in rural Lancashire where they not only got permission from landowners, but got the landowners to buy shares and trench and repair the fibre. The end result is gigabit ethernet service to businesses for GBP 150 per month, and to homes for GBP 30 per month. I saw Barry present this at UKNOF last year in Manchester, and it was just about the best thing I have ever seen. Joe
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