Hi A brief update on the status of our public NTP service. For those of you unaware of this service then details are at http://ntp.net.net - We have new firmware on the boxes that fixes previous IPv6 issues so ntp1.ntp.net.nz and ntp3 are now properly accessible over IPv6. ntp2 has a provider IPv6 issue that is still waiting to be fixed. - We believe this firmware also fixes the autokey issues but we are still testing that before enabling it. - Currently each server independently takes its reference time from differential GPS, which is very slightly different from official NZ time. We spoken to the people from IRL responsible for official NZ time and we have agreed a long term plan that will see the differences between GPS and NZ time sent directly to our servers from the IRL atomic clocks, which will condition our servers very close to official NZ time. - We're considering adding one more server to the network, definitely not a Symmetricom this time. We've spoken to Tekron International, a Lower Hutt company who make GPS timing kit about possibly using one of their products but are still researching alternatives. We hardly ever get any feedback on this service and so assume it is working fine, but now's your chance to tell us what you think or if there is anything more we could be doing to make this service more beneficial. cheers Jay -- Jay Daley Chief Executive .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 931 6977 mobile: +64 21 678840 linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley
That URL should be http://ntp.net.nz/
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jay Daley
Hi
A brief update on the status of our public NTP service. For those of you unaware of this service then details are at http://ntp.net.net
- We have new firmware on the boxes that fixes previous IPv6 issues so ntp1.ntp.net.nz and ntp3 are now properly accessible over IPv6. ntp2 has a provider IPv6 issue that is still waiting to be fixed.
- We believe this firmware also fixes the autokey issues but we are still testing that before enabling it.
- Currently each server independently takes its reference time from differential GPS, which is very slightly different from official NZ time. We spoken to the people from IRL responsible for official NZ time and we have agreed a long term plan that will see the differences between GPS and NZ time sent directly to our servers from the IRL atomic clocks, which will condition our servers very close to official NZ time.
- We're considering adding one more server to the network, definitely not a Symmetricom this time. We've spoken to Tekron International, a Lower Hutt company who make GPS timing kit about possibly using one of their products but are still researching alternatives.
We hardly ever get any feedback on this service and so assume it is working fine, but now's your chance to tell us what you think or if there is anything more we could be doing to make this service more beneficial.
cheers Jay
-- Jay Daley Chief Executive .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 931 6977 mobile: +64 21 678840 linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley
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On 11/03/2013, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brewer
That URL should be http://ntp.net.nz/
Good job I don't work with domain names ... err .... no .... wait ... -- Jay Daley Chief Executive .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 931 6977 mobile: +64 21 678840 linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley
On 11/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, Jay Daley
- Currently each server independently takes its reference time from differential GPS, which is very slightly different from official NZ time. We spoken to the people from IRL responsible for official NZ time and we have agreed a long term plan that will see the differences between GPS and NZ time sent directly to our servers from the IRL atomic clocks, which will condition our servers very close to official NZ time.
Does this mean that these NTP servers won't serve up UTC, but rather UTC +/- some delta so that when offset by 12/13 hours it is in line with NZT? If so, is that commonly done elsewhere? What's the offset likely to be?
We hardly ever get any feedback on this service and so assume it is working fine, but now's your chance to tell us what you think or if there is anything more we could be doing to make this service more beneficial.
They work well for me in their current state, and I appreciate the service. I generally use these plus some pool.ntp.org servers to ensure accurate time when there's a failure/maintenance on one of your clocks.
On 11/03/2013, at 11:11 AM, Nathan Ward
On 11/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, Jay Daley
wrote: - Currently each server independently takes its reference time from differential GPS, which is very slightly different from official NZ time. We spoken to the people from IRL responsible for official NZ time and we have agreed a long term plan that will see the differences between GPS and NZ time sent directly to our servers from the IRL atomic clocks, which will condition our servers very close to official NZ time.
Does this mean that these NTP servers won't serve up UTC, but rather UTC +/- some delta so that when offset by 12/13 hours it is in line with NZT? If so, is that commonly done elsewhere? What's the offset likely to be?
The NTP servers will continue to serve UTC but a corrected version of it that eliminates errors caused in the way we receive the time signal. According to the IRL people (who run the atomic clocks), the big issue is variable atmospheric delay of the GPS signals. It is that error that we want to compensate for. Again I don't have the figures to hand but Wikipedia may: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_Syste...
They work well for me in their current state, and I appreciate the service. I generally use these plus some pool.ntp.org servers to ensure accurate time when there's a failure/maintenance on one of your clocks.
thanks Jay
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Hi Jay,
General curiosity; how loaded are the servers? Have you ever had to cut off
the secondary (s1.) domains?
Thanks,
Jed.
Sent from a small screen.
On 11/03/2013, at 11:11 AM, Nathan Ward
On 11/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, Jay Daley
wrote: - Currently each server independently takes its reference time from differential GPS, which is very slightly different from official NZ time. We spoken to the people from IRL responsible for official NZ time and we have agreed a long term plan that will see the differences between GPS and NZ time sent directly to our servers from the IRL atomic clocks, which will condition our servers very close to official NZ time.
Does this mean that these NTP servers won't serve up UTC, but rather UTC +/- some delta so that when offset by 12/13 hours it is in line with NZT? If so, is that commonly done elsewhere? What's the offset likely to be?
The NTP servers will continue to serve UTC but a corrected version of it that eliminates errors caused in the way we receive the time signal. According to the IRL people (who run the atomic clocks), the big issue is variable atmospheric delay of the GPS signals. It is that error that we want to compensate for. Again I don't have the figures to hand but Wikipedia may: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_Syste...
They work well for me in their current state, and I appreciate the service. I generally use these plus some pool.ntp.org servers to ensure accurate time when there's a failure/maintenance on one of your clocks.
thanks Jay
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Jay Daley
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Jonathan Brewer
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