From a technical stand point, I would like to know the technical reasons as to why Telecom cannot provide other ISP's with the same level of national connectivity that Xtra have been getting, but then this

reasons why this thread is appropriate: Telecom's behaviour affects all network operators in New Zealand and how they can provide cost effective services for the rest of us. reasons why this thread is not appropriate: This thread will probably have zero impact on Telecoms behavior. People will let off steam and then it will be forgotten. Perhaps the thread is not appropriate in here but an explanation from Donald of the reasons as to why Telecom strangles this market sector would hae gone a long way towards ending this thread. But then again there can be no explanation to anti competitive behaviour. Personally I use non Telecom services wherever I can and also strongly urge any and all of my clients to use non telecom based services wherever possible. Woosh Wireless, Telstra, Maxnet, Slingshot, etc... anything possible. Also perhaps of interest in a recent conference for Small and Medium Enterprises one of the Telecom sponsored spokes people went on to say how New Zealand is in the worlds top 10 list for e-commerce growth thanks to Telecom and Xtra. Unfortunately for him a young girl in the audience pointed out his error in painfully exquisite detail. It was perhaps the best part of that conference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parkinson" To: "Juha Saarinen" ; Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: [nznog] (no subject) I agree with Donald, this thread doesn't seem entirely appropriate, however I have seen less appropriate threads go on longer, and can't help but notice the @telecom.co.nz after Donald's address. :). probably isn't a technical issue. More like anti-competitive and predatory market tactics. -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 12:20 p.m. To: Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'... Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz wrote:

People,

As you may recall, our AUP requires that

1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues.

This thread should, in my view, either acquire some operational or technical content or go away.

- Donald Neal

Doesn't ISPs discussing operational issues surrounding the provision of DSL to customers count? -- Juha _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog