Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too. Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)? Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258
Depends on combination on RSP policy. Chorus say that secondary services are limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then secondary service will be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule or a hard rule). Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to get primary service specs. From: <nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> on behalf of Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 9:43 PM To: nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too. Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)? Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258 _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
This is counter to the TCF Spec and design of the UFB service was intended to do. least for the LSP's in which the original Alcatel-Lucent ONT is used this should never be an issue. The original gen1 ONT was extensively tested with disparate 300/300mbit services run in parallel on each of the Customer facing RJ45 service ports with a shared 2.5Gbit Optical upstream. I am interested to know which RSP's and in what region you have seen them request a second ONT for a new Service. On 9 August 2017 at 17:14, Tim Price <tim(a)initech.co.nz> wrote:
Depends on combination on RSP policy. Chorus say that secondary services are limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then secondary service will be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule or a hard rule).
Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to get primary service specs.
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Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too.
Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)?
Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258 <021%20890%20258>
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It depends a lot on which products an RSP has “on-boarded” for with Chorus. Subsequent services on the same ONT are called “Secondary Services” they have a different pricing construct, and sometimes, different features. You can check out the secondary service options in the NGA technical guide here: https://sp.chorus.co.nz/chorus/files/files/NGA%20technical%20user%20guide%20... Happy to help describe this further, give me a shout off-list. Cheers, Brent From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Tim Price Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 5:15 p.m. To: Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com>; nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room Depends on combination on RSP policy. Chorus say that secondary services are limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then secondary service will be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule or a hard rule). Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to get primary service specs. From: <nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> on behalf of Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com<mailto:paul.adshead(a)gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 at 9:43 PM To: nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Subject: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too. Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)? Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258 _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog The content of this email (including any attachments) is intended for the addressee only, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you’ve received this email in error, you shouldn’t read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any of the content of this email . No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mis-transmission or error. This communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002. Although we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, we cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or its attachments.
To add to Brent's note, since the pricing for secondary service is different, there's a process to follow when the primary service goes away and a secondary service needs to be promoted to primary. That process is, uh, less seamless than it could be, leaving the secondary provider with the possibility of having the service pulled from under them if they fail to react. Even if it is handled cleanly, the cost price changes, which means that the ISP either has to go back to the customer with a price change, wear the increase in price, or have priced the service in as if it was a primary service in the first place, and been pocketing the difference. When you're trying to prevent surprises, keep configurations simple, and unnecessary customer interactions to a minimum, that could well be a situation ISPs would want to just avoid despite the cost advantage of using secondary services. -- don On 08/10/2017 08:30 AM, Brent Marquis wrote:
It depends a lot on which products an RSP has “on-boarded” for with Chorus.
Subsequent services on the same ONT are called “Secondary Services” they have a different pricing construct, and sometimes, different features.
You can check out the secondary service options in the NGA technical guide here:
https://sp.chorus.co.nz/chorus/files/files/NGA%20technical%20user%20guide%20...
Happy to help describe this further, give me a shout off-list.
Cheers, Brent
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Depends on combination on RSP policy. Chorus say that secondary services are limited, ie if primary service on ONT is 100/100M then secondary service will be 100/50M (Not sure if this is a scaled rule or a hard rule).
Some RSPs don’t accept this and will chose to install second ONT to get primary service specs.
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Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too.
Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)?
Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258
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UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be enabled on individual ONT ports. So the answer is absolutely yes. On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too.
Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)?
Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258 <021%20890%20258>
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Don’t forget bitstream 2/3 or 4 cannot be mixed on the same ONT, bitstream 4 requires an ONU. Kind regards, Matthew Harrison The Top Dog / Managing Director PrimoWireless Ltd | 0800 123 774 The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this information. From: <nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> on behalf of Joel Wirāmu Pauling <joel(a)aenertia.net> Date: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 5:32 PM To: Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com> Cc: nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be enabled on individual ONT ports. So the answer is absolutely yes. On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com<mailto:paul.adshead(a)gmail.com>> wrote: Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too. Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)? Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258<tel:021%20890%20258> _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Apparently. UFF have a practice of mixing product families on the same ONT. Jesse On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 at 5:37 PM, Matthew Harrison @ PrimoWireless < matthew(a)staff.primowireless.co.nz> wrote:
Don’t forget bitstream 2/3 or 4 cannot be mixed on the same ONT, bitstream 4 requires an ONU.
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UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be enabled on individual ONT ports.
So the answer is absolutely yes.
On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too.
Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)?
Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258 <021%20890%20258>
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An issue with mixing Bitstream 2 and Bitstream 3/3a on the same ONT was that STP was blocked for BS2 but had to be tunnelled for EPL (e.g. BS3) products. Some ONTs couldn’t discard on a port/OVC basis. With the revised TCF standard STP is now discarded for all Bitstream 2x & 3x products so there will be the ability to mix more services on the same ONT. Bitstream 4 still passes it. Peter. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Jesse Archer Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 5:39 PM To: Joel Wirāmu Pauling <joel(a)aenertia.net>; Matthew Harrison @ PrimoWireless <matthew(a)staff.primowireless.co.nz>; Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com> Cc: nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room Apparently. UFF have a practice of mixing product families on the same ONT. Jesse On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 at 5:37 PM, Matthew Harrison @ PrimoWireless <matthew(a)staff.primowireless.co.nz<mailto:matthew(a)staff.primowireless.co.nz>> wrote: Don’t forget bitstream 2/3 or 4 cannot be mixed on the same ONT, bitstream 4 requires an ONU. Kind regards, Matthew Harrison The Top Dog / Managing Director PrimoWireless Ltd | 0800 123 774 The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this information. Peter Ensor | Chief Architect Ultrafast Fibre T +64 (7) 8503880 M +64 (21) 02502772 E Peter.Ensor(a)ultrafast.co.nz<mailto:Peter.Ensor(a)ultrafast.co.nz> W ultrafastfibre.co.nz<http://ultrafastfibre.co.nz/> ________________________________ Attention: This e-mail message is intended for the intended recipient only and it may contain Ultrafast Fibre Limited confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost if this email has been delivered to the wrong recipient. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify Ultrafast Fibre Limited. You must not disclose, copy or relay any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and not Ultrafast Fibre Limited. This email has been checked for viruses. However, Ultrafast Fibre Limited makes no warranty that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or other conditions which may damage or interfere with recipient data, hardware or software. The recipient relies on its own procedures and assumes all risk of use and of opening any attachments. ________________________________ From: <nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> on behalf of Joel Wirāmu Pauling <joel(a)aenertia.net<mailto:joel(a)aenertia.net>> Date: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 5:32 PM To: Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com<mailto:paul.adshead(a)gmail.com>> Cc: nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Subject: Re: [nznog] Multiple connections to UFB in server room UFB is designed so that individual services from competing RSP's can be enabled on individual ONT ports. So the answer is absolutely yes. On 9 August 2017 at 16:43, Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com<mailto:paul.adshead(a)gmail.com>> wrote: Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too. Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)? Many thanks, Paul Adshead. 021890258<tel:021%20890%20258> _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Jesse Archer General Manager Full Flavour [http://fullflavour.co.nz/files/7814/0357/5893/full-flavour.png] p. 07 577 0099 ddi. 07 281 1391 s. Skype "myfullflavour" e. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz<mailto:jesse(a)fullflavourmedia.co.nz> w. fullflavour.nz<http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/> a. Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga a. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Central, Tauranga 3141, New Zealand
Often its not a technical issue of delivering the service, but an LFC rule that an ONT provides services to a single customer only. You may need the company that ordered the original service to request the secondary service on your behalf. Additional ONT install costs should be low, most LFCs install two fibres strands to the first ONT. Cheers, Steve Steve Hawken | Consultant | ABC IP Limited | NZ +64 21 121 9210 | steve(a)abc-ip.com <mailto:steve(a)abc-ip.com>
On 9/08/2017, at 4:43 PM, Paul Adshead <paul.adshead(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. A shared server room has an active UFB service for another business on the floor. We want UFB service to our office too.
Is an additional ONT install needed (as I'm being told by <ISP>)? Or, can Chorus just enable another port on the existing ONT and have and then run a network cable out to both routers from one ONT? Is the ONT capable of multiple PPPOE sessions to the offsite hardware? Or is this just creating a problem that doesn't need to exist (- ie say yes to the second ONT install)?
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Don Stokes -
Jesse Archer -
Joel Wirāmu Pauling -
Matthew Harrison ＠ PrimoWireless -
Paul Adshead -
Peter Ensor -
Steve Hawken -
Tim Price