Open up an 827 ADSL router, and you'll see what appears to be a pretty bog-standard Alcatel chip set, as used in the considerably cheaper Nokia routers.

It shouldn't surprise anyone though -- I mean, look at how much 8MB of Cisco DRAM goes for.

My understanding of the Alcatel chip was it was needed just to talk to Telecoms DSL equipment. You will probably find that majority of DSL modems have this chipset. Simon Allard (Senior Tool Monkey) IHUG Ph (09) 358-5067 Email: simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz I'm out of my mind right now, but feel free to leave a message..... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Wed, 29 May 2002, Joe Abley wrote:

On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 06:59 , Simon Lyall wrote:

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I hope this is a joke. Nice to see where our money goes.

http://www.theinquirer.net/29050203.htm

Lots of appliances are built around commodity x86 motherboards and standard PC components.

You're presumably paying for what the box can do, not a simple summation of the cost of its components. If what the box can do does not justify the price, don't buy it. This is not rocket science.

agreed - look at the juniper routing engines for example (although they aren't exactly standard motherboards). The software images are probably linux with special binary only kernel modules & userspace software - but it's not a case of what it's made out of, but what it does. this is what embedded linux is all about cheers -- Brendan Black - ratfink(a)xtra.co.nz UK mobile: +44 7941 647890 Linux User# 44680 Memory is like an orgasm - it's a lot better if you don't have to fake it. - Seymour Cray - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 04:24 , Brendan Black wrote:

agreed - look at the juniper routing engines for example (although they aren't exactly standard motherboards).

The software images are probably linux with special binary only kernel modules & userspace software - but it's not a case of what it's made out of, but what it does.

FreeBSD, actually. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Tony Wicks wrote:

I especially like the "award modular bios, press delete to enter setup" on our m160's on bootup :-)

Have they changed the "Boot From A: C: CDROM: SCSI" to "Boot From C: FLASH: NET:" is this sufficient value add????/ :-)

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On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 04:24 , Brendan Black wrote:

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agreed - look at the juniper routing engines for example (although they aren't exactly standard motherboards).

The software images are probably linux with special binary only kernel modules & userspace software - but it's not a case of what it's made out of, but what it does.

FreeBSD, actually.

Joe

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On Thu, 30 May 2002, Joe Abley wrote:

On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 04:24 , Brendan Black wrote:

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agreed - look at the juniper routing engines for example (although they aren't exactly standard motherboards).

The software images are probably linux with special binary only kernel modules & userspace software - but it's not a case of what it's made out of, but what it does.

FreeBSD, actually.

yes I know - I was talking about the 6500 NAM module software cheers -- Brendan Black - ratfink(a)xtra.co.nz UK mobile: +44 7941 647890 Linux User# 44680 Memory is like an orgasm - it's a lot better if you don't have to fake it. - Seymour Cray - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog