How many ISP's charge their customers to query DNS?
I know this is a "consumer" question, but I find it very strange... Quote from the Paradise Help Desk Email system when questioned about why I was being charged to access kirsty.paradise.net.nz , their secondary DNS Server... "Kirsty is our secondary DNS server, you will get charged traffic connecting to our DNS servers." Any other people working for ISP's wanna comment on if they charge? I know, from what Xtra's support staff said, they don't.. I just find it really hard to believe.
you've got to be kiddding is their secondary running on an AS400 or something ? Crazy Dan Chris Hodgetts wrote:
I know this is a "consumer" question, but I find it very strange...
Quote from the Paradise Help Desk Email system when questioned about why I was being charged to access kirsty.paradise.net.nz , their secondary DNS Server...
"Kirsty is our secondary DNS server, you will get charged traffic connecting to our DNS servers."
Any other people working for ISP's wanna comment on if they charge?
I know, from what Xtra's support staff said, they don't.. I just find it really hard to believe.
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We don't charge for anything inside our network.. I don't think many ISP's charge for data inside their network? -----Original Message----- From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 10:54 a.m. To: Chris Hodgetts Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] How many ISP's charge their customers to query DNS? you've got to be kiddding is their secondary running on an AS400 or something ? Crazy Dan Chris Hodgetts wrote:
I know this is a "consumer" question, but I find it very strange...
Quote from the Paradise Help Desk Email system when questioned about why I was being charged to access kirsty.paradise.net.nz , their secondary DNS Server...
"Kirsty is our secondary DNS server, you will get charged traffic connecting to our DNS servers."
Any other people working for ISP's wanna comment on if they charge?
I know, from what Xtra's support staff said, they don't.. I just find it really hard to believe.
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Craig Spiers wrote:
We don't charge for anything inside our network.. I don't think many ISP's charge for data inside their network?
That will depend on how their billing works. If they bill from radius, or from a counter on the customer facing port, then yes, they will be charging for data inside their network. Billing on the 'upstream' border requires the use of netflow, or some kind of commercial accounting box, or, if you don't /really/ care about your packets, a linux box with IPTables or something. *flame proof jacket* In any case, they all require extra processing of packets, which means extra things to break. -- Nathan Ward
On 9 Feb 2005, at 16:48, Chris Hodgetts wrote:
I know this is a "consumer" question, but I find it very strange...
Quote from the Paradise Help Desk Email system when questioned about why I was being charged to access kirsty.paradise.net.nz , their secondary DNS Server...
"Kirsty is our secondary DNS server, you will get charged traffic connecting to our DNS servers."
Any other people working for ISP's wanna comment on if they charge?
I know, from what Xtra's support staff said, they don't.. I just find it really hard to believe.
So, you have bought some kind of internet access service which charges for traffic by the byte, and you are surprised when traffic gets charged by the byte? Or you think udp/53 traffic should be special for some reason? If Xtra really zero-rates traffic on udp/53, I presume everybody is just using openvpn to tunnel all their traffic out on that port? Joe
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Joe Abley wrote:
On 9 Feb 2005, at 16:48, Chris Hodgetts wrote:
So, you have bought some kind of internet access service which charges for traffic by the byte, and you are surprised when traffic gets charged by the byte? Or you think udp/53 traffic should be special for some reason?
Traditionally ISPs don't charge for traffic on their own networks. Not even back in the day of international being billed at several dollars a meg was I billed for mail and DNS traffic within my ISP. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
On 9 Feb 2005, at 16:48, Chris Hodgetts wrote:
So, you have bought some kind of internet access service which charges for traffic by the byte, and you are surprised when traffic gets charged by the byte? Or you think udp/53 traffic should be special for some reason?
Hrm, do you mean that you're paying for the last mile transit, and how much traffic goes over *that* link. Because thats fairly standard. -Richard
Chris Hodgetts wrote:
I know this is a "consumer" question, but I find it very strange...
Quote from the Paradise Help Desk Email system when questioned about why I was being charged to access kirsty.paradise.net.nz , their secondary DNS Server...
"Kirsty is our secondary DNS server, you will get charged traffic connecting to our DNS servers."
Any other people working for ISP's wanna comment on if they charge?
I know, from what Xtra's support staff said, they don't.. I just find it really hard to believe.
How much does Paradise/TCL charge for accessing Kirsty? Do they charge per byte or per query? -- Juha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hodgetts"
I know this is a "consumer" question, but I find it very strange...
Quote from the Paradise Help Desk Email system when questioned about why I was being charged to access kirsty.paradise.net.nz , their secondary DNS Server...
Are you using it to slave your domain; or just as a DNS server to lookup domains such as google.com etc? How would they charge you and how would they count data, thats just stupid. I know they don't charge, unless something changed in the last week. Thanks Barry Murphy
Well.. It's being looked into by someone at TelstraClear / Paradise, who seems to have a clue... Yaa..
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