From: "Tony Wicks" I think you are missing the point, running network from Auckland to Wellington is not going to get you peering access to Telecom / TelstraClear customers.

No, but it would define the meaning of "Domestic Traffic". If all ISPs peer on a single exchange then Domestic traffic is traffic that traverses the links to the exchange. If Telecom / TelstraClear choose not to peer then they do not carry Domestic traffic. They may carry "National/Regional" traffic but that traffic is internal to their networks and the cost of carrying that traffic is included in the charges to their customers.

Also the idea of a mass de-peering of all the independent ISP's is a bit naive, its sort of like a geek religious thing.

From that the SRS was designed, built and implemented by a team of Religious Geeks that had not much more in common than a subscription to a mailing

Never underestimate the power of Religious Geeks, especially in a small country like NZ. Domainz tried a similar trick to TCL and a (Chief) Religious Geek got really pissed off about it. list. Cheers BG.

On Wed, 26 May 2004, Brian Gibbons wrote:

No, but it would define the meaning of "Domestic Traffic".

If all ISPs peer on a single exchange then Domestic traffic is traffic that traverses the links to the exchange.

You don't need to reduce a definition to a single entity for it to be valid. For example, in conversations, when I mention "Domestic Traffic", I mean "Traffic that enters/leaves my network via APE or WIX or one of our direct peering connections." That's just as valid as "Traffic that enters or leaves via CountryLink Uberpeer." Doesn't matter if you're not peering with TelstraClear at APE, WIX or directly, or if you're not peering with Telstraclear at NZ-Omni-IX. Either way, you're not peering with TelstraClear. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 21:51, Steve Withers wrote:

On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 21:14, Tikiri Wickramasingha wrote:

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NASA Helios - remotely piloted, solar powered, extreme high altitude aircraft capable of carying a payload simillar to a small satelite. Uses Fuel Cells to store power generated by solar panels. It is designed to stay in the air forever. Wing Span approximately the size of a B-52 Bomber. Cost if I rememebr right was a couple million dollars. But that is a fraction of what running fibre all the way down SH1 would cost.

No doubt it is patented.....

In essense it's just a big airframe with solar panels, hydrogen based fuel cells, and a whole heap of fancy electronics. Pretty hard to patent considering that a number of simillarly powered aircraft are being commercialized (includes boeing). I'm not saying it's easy though... http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22fuel+cell%22+aircraft&btnG=Search&meta=

I was interested to see - when working on a homework project with my daughter - that the Wright Brothers had a patent on their wing design....which truly was a unique innovation created by them -and that Americans especially took no notice of it and copied it shamelessly - paying no royalties.

So all we need to do is take the Helios idea and design our own.

...Now where did I leave that wind tunnel?

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