Re: [nznog] HEADS UP - upcoming webcast
To save answering this question many times At 04:34 PM 2/22/2006 +1300, you wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Richard Naylor wrote:
This is an excellent opportunity to show what the Internet can deliver in terms of interesting and compelling content. Arrangements have been made with Telecom NZ to make traffic flows optimal and we thank them for their support and co-operation.
So does this mean people getting DSL via Xtra will be able to watch it?
yes.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Richard Naylor wrote:
This is an excellent opportunity to show what the Internet can deliver in terms of interesting and compelling content. Arrangements have been made with Telecom NZ to make traffic flows optimal and we thank them for
And those with cable via TCL?
Richard Naylor
support and co-operation.
So does this mean people getting DSL via Xtra will be able to watch it?
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And those with cable via TCL? I didn't see anyone thanking TelstraClear, so probably not. :P In a way it's a shame they've connected to Telecom. A lot of aggravated Xtra users migrating to peered ISPs might have helped convince Telecom peering is a good idea... Erin
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Richard Naylor wrote:
This is an excellent opportunity to show what the Internet can deliver in terms of interesting and compelling content. Arrangements have been made with Telecom NZ to make traffic flows optimal and we thank them for
Richard Naylor
support and co-operation.
So does this mean people getting DSL via Xtra will be able to watch it?
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Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
In a way it's a shame they've connected to Telecom. A lot of aggravated Xtra users migrating to peered ISPs might have helped convince Telecom peering is a good idea...
I suspect Xtra users wouldn't care. Those that do care are more likely to already be with other ISPs.
Perhaps morally aware geeks will have changed ISPs on general principles, but watching the Commonwealth Games is something the average person on the street might want to do. Non-geeks would be ringing the helpdesk like crazy. John Campbell is ripping into Telecom on 3 as I type - worth a look. :) Erin Salmon Managing Director Unleash Computers Ltd Unleash Networks Ltd Mobile: 021 877 913 Landline: 03 365 1273 -----Original Message----- From: James Clark [mailto:jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz] Sent: 22 February 2006 7:07 p.m. To: Erin Salmon - Unleash Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] HEADS UP - upcoming webcast Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
In a way it's a shame they've connected to Telecom. A lot of aggravated Xtra users migrating to peered ISPs might have helped convince Telecom peering is a good idea...
I suspect Xtra users wouldn't care. Those that do care are more likely to already be with other ISPs.
Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
Perhaps morally aware geeks will have changed ISPs on general principles, but watching the Commonwealth Games is something the average person on the street might want to do. Non-geeks would be ringing the helpdesk like crazy.
I would call myself a "morally aware geek", but I'm still on Xtra, because I don't trust this wholesale broadband thing (and the prices seem to be worse than what I already pay, when you consider that I'd have to switch tolls too), and I can't get cable (even though I live around the corner from the Christchurch TelstraClear building).
John Campbell is ripping into Telecom on 3 as I type - worth a look.
I missed this, unfortunately. Surprised that Telecom (as Campbell Live's new big sponsor) didn't mind... -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited jasper(a)album.co.nz www.album.co.nz 021 708 334
At 22:55 22/02/2006, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote:
John Campbell is ripping into Telecom on 3 as I type - worth a look.
I missed this, unfortunately. Surprised that Telecom (as Campbell Live's new big sponsor) didn't mind...
I'm sure they did mind... Perhaps the Telecom sponsor logo will disapear off Campbell Live some time in the future... :) I saw it and thought the whole story was pretty well done, given that its trying to explain somewhat abstract (to joe public) concepts like contention ratios and data caps. I like John's interviewing style and the interview with Theresa was a good example - he doesn't let them wiggle out of politico-speak replys, but without actually being rude like some interviewers. He managed to have her on the defensive the entire interview and her words came across as very hollow when contrasted with the facts....:) Well worth watching... Regards, Simon
Only downside was when didn't follow up Japan has more people with
well NZ has less people do less data to import so wouldn't that be
cheaper? And well if international is so expensive why don't you offer
national traffic cheaper like the days of JetStart and what
TelstraClear use to do with Cable?
On 2/23/06, Simon Byrnand
At 22:55 22/02/2006, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote:
John Campbell is ripping into Telecom on 3 as I type - worth a look.
I missed this, unfortunately. Surprised that Telecom (as Campbell Live's new big sponsor) didn't mind...
I'm sure they did mind... Perhaps the Telecom sponsor logo will disapear off Campbell Live some time in the future... :)
I saw it and thought the whole story was pretty well done, given that its trying to explain somewhat abstract (to joe public) concepts like contention ratios and data caps. I like John's interviewing style and the interview with Theresa was a good example - he doesn't let them wiggle out of politico-speak replys, but without actually being rude like some interviewers. He managed to have her on the defensive the entire interview and her words came across as very hollow when contrasted with the facts....:) Well worth watching...
Regards, Simon
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James Clark wrote:
Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
In a way it's a shame they've connected to Telecom. A lot of aggravated Xtra users migrating to peered ISPs might have helped convince Telecom peering is a good idea...
I suspect Xtra users wouldn't care. Those that do care are more likely to already be with other ISPs.
Not true. I'm still on Xtra because theyre the most convenient to be with for work reasons. Doesn't mean I embrace their peering policy. Unfortunately I distrust the UBS system enough that i'm not willing to break my home Internet in order to migrate. (I'm occaisionally very grateful that my telehoused system is not on Xtra. I am not however very grateful that I have a relatively convaluted route from home to colo, because of the lack of peering...) Bring on true competition, I say. I'm yet to watch tonights Campbell Live but i'm told it was quite interesting.... Of possible interest: http://xtramsn.co.nz/businessandmoney/0,,13268-5411833-25,00.html Mark.
If anyone has a copy of Campbell's show tonight that they've recorded, put it online, willya? :) Erin -----Original Message----- From: Mark Foster [mailto:blakjak(a)blakjak.net] Sent: 22 February 2006 7:54 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] HEADS UP - upcoming webcast James Clark wrote:
Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
In a way it's a shame they've connected to Telecom. A lot of aggravated Xtra users migrating to peered ISPs might have helped convince Telecom peering is a good idea...
I suspect Xtra users wouldn't care. Those that do care are more likely to already be with other ISPs.
Not true. I'm still on Xtra because theyre the most convenient to be with for work reasons. Doesn't mean I embrace their peering policy. Unfortunately I distrust the UBS system enough that i'm not willing to break my home Internet in order to migrate. (I'm occaisionally very grateful that my telehoused system is not on Xtra. I am not however very grateful that I have a relatively convaluted route from home to colo, because of the lack of peering...) Bring on true competition, I say. I'm yet to watch tonights Campbell Live but i'm told it was quite interesting.... Of possible interest: http://xtramsn.co.nz/businessandmoney/0,,13268-5411833-25,00.html Mark. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
It's is available from TV3's website (links on the front page currently)
http://www.tv3.co.nz
-- simon
On 2/22/06, Erin Salmon - Unleash
If anyone has a copy of Campbell's show tonight that they've recorded, put it online, willya?
The documentary, yes, but not the following studio debate...
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Unleash Computers Ltd
Unleash Networks Ltd
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-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Green [mailto:swgreen(a)gmail.com]
Sent: 22 February 2006 8:34 p.m.
To: Erin Salmon - Unleash
Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: Re: [nznog] HEADS UP - upcoming webcast
It's is available from TV3's website (links on the front page currently)
http://www.tv3.co.nz
-- simon
On 2/22/06, Erin Salmon - Unleash
If anyone has a copy of Campbell's show tonight that they've recorded, put it online, willya?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
The documentary, yes, but not the following studio debate...
I have news for you. It is now online thanks to someone who encoded a taping and many others mirroring it It is worth watching. Theresa Gattung was there and so was David Cunliff. Also intereviewed were Vodafone (at the start) and Ernie Newman. Sites better for ppl in nz than o'seas http://sneep.net/CL-Broadband.avi http://www.blakjak.net/adsl/CL-Broadband.avi People not in NZ should go for one of these links: http://wibble.focb.co.nz/CL http://www.vonfluffy.net/files/CL-Broadband.avi 128MB 26 minutes, 500kbit xvid (single pass), 128kbit cbr mp3 audio. 62135cfb8e43afa051b3e18dc853eb80 is the md5 fwiw Someone has seeded it in a private torrent tracker and so no doubt it will be seeded in a more public tracker soon. No I didn't do the taping and stuff. Just helping spread the word. Don't have the technology. Conversation will be interesting at Curry tomorrow night. regards Lin
Anyone ask the copyright holder if they could host this? Piracy in back-rooms is one thing, but on a list which advertises itself as playing host to the top network administrators in NZ. Come on people - PLEASE tell me that this is all public domain content you're hosting. Dean Lin Nah wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:
The documentary, yes, but not the following studio debate...
I have news for you. It is now online thanks to someone who encoded a taping and many others mirroring it
It is worth watching. Theresa Gattung was there and so was David Cunliff. Also intereviewed were Vodafone (at the start) and Ernie Newman.
Sites better for ppl in nz than o'seas http://sneep.net/CL-Broadband.avi http://www.blakjak.net/adsl/CL-Broadband.avi
People not in NZ should go for one of these links: http://wibble.focb.co.nz/CL http://www.vonfluffy.net/files/CL-Broadband.avi
128MB 26 minutes, 500kbit xvid (single pass), 128kbit cbr mp3 audio. 62135cfb8e43afa051b3e18dc853eb80 is the md5 fwiw
Someone has seeded it in a private torrent tracker and so no doubt it will be seeded in a more public tracker soon.
No I didn't do the taping and stuff. Just helping spread the word. Don't have the technology.
Conversation will be interesting at Curry tomorrow night.
regards Lin
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On 22/02/2006, at 11:26 PM, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Anyone ask the copyright holder if they could host this? Piracy in back-rooms is one thing, but on a list which advertises itself as playing host to the top network administrators in NZ.
TV3 has had Windows Media 9 streams of their current affairs programs for a while now. I know windows media isn't amazingly popular with OSS people, but that's still no reason to advertise pirated copies on this list. You can find the video at http://tv3.co.nz/News/tabid/67/articleID/ 4255/Default.aspx -- Phillip Hutchings WebGenius Programmer phillip(a)webgenius.co.nz
Yeah I agree that windows media isn't the best, but if thats what the owner choses then so be it. Now if only we could get them to put up South Park episodes =) Dean Phillip Hutchings wrote:
On 22/02/2006, at 11:26 PM, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Anyone ask the copyright holder if they could host this? Piracy in back-rooms is one thing, but on a list which advertises itself as playing host to the top network administrators in NZ.
TV3 has had Windows Media 9 streams of their current affairs programs for a while now. I know windows media isn't amazingly popular with OSS people, but that's still no reason to advertise pirated copies on this list.
You can find the video at http://tv3.co.nz/News/tabid/67/articleID/ 4255/Default.aspx
-- Phillip Hutchings WebGenius Programmer phillip(a)webgenius.co.nz
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Point taken. At the very least the post should have included a link to the TV3 stream, but I didn't catch Lin in time. OTOH, streaming is simply not practical for the majority of NZ internet users. Consensus seems to be that this episode was of particular interest due to issues like data caps and contention ratios being raised in mainstream media apparently for the first time. So, no it's not public domain (though publicly available, albeit streaming only) and no the permission of the copyright holder was not sought. It's just an alternative for those without the means to stream. On 02/22/06 23:43, Phillip Hutchings wrote:
On 22/02/2006, at 11:26 PM, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Anyone ask the copyright holder if they could host this? Piracy in back-rooms is one thing, but on a list which advertises itself as playing host to the top network administrators in NZ.
TV3 has had Windows Media 9 streams of their current affairs programs for a while now. I know windows media isn't amazingly popular with OSS people, but that's still no reason to advertise pirated copies on this list.
You can find the video at http://tv3.co.nz/News/tabid/67/articleID/4255/Default.aspx
-- Phillip Hutchings WebGenius Programmer phillip(a)webgenius.co.nz
Zach Bagnall wrote:
So, no it's not public domain (though publicly available, albeit streaming only) and no the permission of the copyright holder was not sought. It's just an alternative for those without the means to stream.
It doesn't make it any better, but it's no different than borrowing(making a copy of) someones VCR recording of it.
On Thu, February 23, 2006 09:10, Zach Bagnall wrote:
Point taken. At the very least the post should have included a link to the TV3 stream, but I didn't catch Lin in time.
OTOH, streaming is simply not practical for the majority of NZ internet users.
They can use mplayer -dumpstream. I would hope the audience of this mailing list were capable of doing so.
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Lin Nah -
Mark Foster -
Phillip Hutchings -
Richard Naylor -
Rodger Donaldson -
Simon Byrnand -
Simon Green -
Zach Bagnall