Vodafone dial pattern - another change ?
In the last 24 hours I've heard from multiple sources that Vodafone is now using 8 digit prepay numbers - the numbers I was given that were reported 'not working' (because our PBX didn't match all the digits) were both 021-0222xxxx, ie, 8 digits after the 021. I know I asked about this only one month ago, but back then 021[012] only appeared to require 6 further digits, and not 7. I've just tried calling both 0222xxxx numbers from my vodafone mobile, and they they both rang. I tried leaving the last digit off, and they both failed, so it does suggest that things have changed. Does anyone know what's going on, and/or what the correct prefix for this number pattern is ? If I change my end to match 0210 plus 7, it will introduce a 5 second delay into any numbers that only have 6 digits after the 0210 -- Ian Batterbee, CCNP Senior Network/Comms Technician Auckland University of Technology
Ian Batterbee wrote:
In the last 24 hours I've heard from multiple sources that Vodafone is now using 8 digit prepay numbers - the numbers I was given that were reported 'not working' (because our PBX didn't match all the digits) were both 021-0222xxxx, ie, 8 digits after the 021.
I know I asked about this only one month ago, but back then 021[012] only appeared to require 6 further digits, and not 7.
I've just tried calling both 0222xxxx numbers from my vodafone mobile, and they they both rang. I tried leaving the last digit off, and they both failed, so it does suggest that things have changed.
Does anyone know what's going on, and/or what the correct prefix for this number pattern is ? If I change my end to match 0210 plus 7, it will introduce a 5 second delay into any numbers that only have 6 digits after the 0210
Doesn't vodafone own "anything after the 021", similar to how a domain structure is setup ? and if so, you are in essence asking "so.. there is this co.nz domain, can someone please let me know _all_ the permutations under this domain as I um, want to <insert random reasoning here>" Surely the delay thing is why most VoIP type systems accept something such as "#" as an "I've finished inputting my number, please dial it" indicator ? Is the 5 seconds tuneable ? "wait 5 seconds till the 5th digit has been entered then change this to 3 seconds till the 7th digit then change this to 1 second" -- Steve.
Not entirely. Traditional voice often has a "max number" setting which stops people from dialing extra digits. Currently for Vodafone this would be 7, if they're now using 8 for pre-pay then this would need to be increased to 8 to allow for these new numbers. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:27 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vodafone dial pattern - another change ? Ian Batterbee wrote:
In the last 24 hours I've heard from multiple sources that Vodafone is now using 8 digit prepay numbers - the numbers I was given that were reported 'not working' (because our PBX didn't match all the digits) were both 021-0222xxxx, ie, 8 digits after the 021.
I know I asked about this only one month ago, but back then 021[012] only appeared to require 6 further digits, and not 7.
I've just tried calling both 0222xxxx numbers from my vodafone mobile, and they they both rang. I tried leaving the last digit off, and they both failed, so it does suggest that things have changed.
Does anyone know what's going on, and/or what the correct prefix for this number pattern is ? If I change my end to match 0210 plus 7, it will introduce a 5 second delay into any numbers that only have 6 digits after the 0210
Doesn't vodafone own "anything after the 021", similar to how a domain structure is setup ? and if so, you are in essence asking "so.. there is this co.nz domain, can someone please let me know _all_ the permutations under this domain as I um, want to <insert random reasoning here>" Surely the delay thing is why most VoIP type systems accept something such as "#" as an "I've finished inputting my number, please dial it" indicator ? Is the 5 seconds tuneable ? "wait 5 seconds till the 5th digit has been entered then change this to 3 seconds till the 7th digit then change this to 1 second" -- Steve. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Daniel Quigan wrote:
Not entirely. Traditional voice often has a "max number" setting which stops people from dialing extra digits. Currently for Vodafone this would be 7, if they're now using 8 for pre-pay then this would need to be increased to 8 to allow for these new numbers.
Yep, and AFAIK this is set to around 14. So, two digits for the country code, two for access code leaves 10 digits that vodafone can play with. (I'll confirm the exact number later if anyone cares, but its something close to that) Why would you assume that they will use 7 ? its a decision that they can make entirely arbitarily, they own the space below +6421 and as such can dictate pretty much any number. (afaik the reasons its set to 14 are due to equipment limitations over anything else, Enum and VoIP may end up negating a lot of these limitations.) As I pointed out, there are other ways to solve a problem rather than relying on something out of your control (always a flawed model) - Why not start to employ some of them and fix YOUR system rather than ask <insert third party business here> to change their systems to suit you ? -- Steve.
I work for a 2nd tier telco, we set our own max number lengths, hence why this information is important to us. I'm assuming your other comments are for Ian, not me, as there is nothing wrong with our network. I agree that setting max number lengths on a PABX is probably not the best practice and is something which is best left to the telco. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:56 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vodafone dial pattern - another change ? Daniel Quigan wrote:
Not entirely. Traditional voice often has a "max number" setting which stops people from dialing extra digits. Currently for Vodafone this would be 7, if they're now using 8 for pre-pay then this would need to be increased to 8 to allow for these new numbers.
Yep, and AFAIK this is set to around 14. So, two digits for the country code, two for access code leaves 10 digits that vodafone can play with. (I'll confirm the exact number later if anyone cares, but its something close to that) Why would you assume that they will use 7 ? its a decision that they can make entirely arbitarily, they own the space below +6421 and as such can dictate pretty much any number. (afaik the reasons its set to 14 are due to equipment limitations over anything else, Enum and VoIP may end up negating a lot of these limitations.) As I pointed out, there are other ways to solve a problem rather than relying on something out of your control (always a flawed model) - Why not start to employ some of them and fix YOUR system rather than ask <insert third party business here> to change their systems to suit you ? -- Steve. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Anyone from Trademe on list. Please reply off list. Thanks. Steve.
On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 10:26 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote:
Doesn't vodafone own "anything after the 021", similar to how a domain structure is setup ? and if so, you are in essence asking "so.. there is this co.nz domain, can someone please let me know _all_ the permutations under this domain as I um, want to <insert random reasoning here>"
You are basically correct but it would seem to be fairly std practice to put the various route patterns into the tables so that the # is only need for international calls. We, at Massey Uni, have all the various combinations of lengths in the 02[1579] ranges in both the VoIP and Legacy switches. Ian, if you get an answer, I'd like to know too please. Glen.
A couple of Vodafone employees have confirmed that they are using 8 digit prepay numbers now. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Eustace [mailto:geustace(a)godzone.net.nz] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:52 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vodafone dial pattern - another change ? On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 10:26 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote:
Doesn't vodafone own "anything after the 021", similar to how a domain structure is setup ? and if so, you are in essence asking "so.. there is this co.nz domain, can someone please let me know _all_ the permutations under this domain as I um, want to <insert random reasoning here>"
You are basically correct but it would seem to be fairly std practice to put the various route patterns into the tables so that the # is only need for international calls. We, at Massey Uni, have all the various combinations of lengths in the 02[1579] ranges in both the VoIP and Legacy switches. Ian, if you get an answer, I'd like to know too please. Glen. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Yeah, I've seen a few in Nelson already. Also, on a side note, looking at the New Zealand National Numbering Plan from the MED, the national destination code of 21, which is labeled as mobile service, has a maximum length of 9 additional digits. Cheers neil On 23/09/2005, at 10:57 AM, Daniel Quigan wrote:
A couple of Vodafone employees have confirmed that they are using 8 digit prepay numbers now.
-----Original Message----- From: Glen Eustace [mailto:geustace(a)godzone.net.nz] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:52 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vodafone dial pattern - another change ?
On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 10:26 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote:
Doesn't vodafone own "anything after the 021", similar to how a domain structure is setup ? and if so, you are in essence asking "so.. there is this co.nz domain, can someone please let me know _all_ the permutations under this domain as I um, want to <insert random reasoning here>"
You are basically correct but it would seem to be fairly std practice to put the various route patterns into the tables so that the # is only need for international calls. We, at Massey Uni, have all the various combinations of lengths in the 02[1579] ranges in both the VoIP and Legacy switches.
Ian, if you get an answer, I'd like to know too please.
Glen.
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