HI NOG Like you, we in the Kiwicon crue care about security. Also like you, we grew up in the 80s. Remember the 80s? they were good. Relatedly, we present our CFP (and training) https://kiwicon.org/cfp2014.txt We look forward to a few submissions from the New Zealand Network Operators' Group as you're all very intelligent and awesome. Beers, -- // Mike