Reluctantly and with apologies to those receiving this who do not need it, want it, or are receiving it twice, I copy below a note I sent to Andy Linton. I am doing this because I now have similar notes from Dean Pemberton and Craig Anderson and I can see no point this correspondence continuing. In addition to the points I made to Andy, the note was not sent by me as a member of the ISOCNZ Council, but with the appended sig. I emphasise that I will fax it to anyone interested who, for whatever reason, cannot read the original. Original reply as sent to Andy (actually, slightly edited): I am replying directly, personally in order to prevent unnecessary email pollution.. The TOR from APEC Telecommunications WG is not my document, it belongs to an international group who choose to work in their own fashion. The document is in a complex format which is not capable of being translated into text. The web would be a good alternative but I am not in a position to place material on the Web that does not belong to me. I am not interested (sorry Andy) in pursuing arguments about electronic formats.. I have a Microsoft formatted document which belongs to someone else..I can print it and fax it for limited distribution. IP issues and practicalities preclude any other course of action at this stage. Frank March Specialist Advisor IT Policy Group, Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Telephone: +64 4 474 2908; Fax: +64 4 473 7010

-----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [SMTP:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, December 06, 1998 9:51 PM To: Frank March Cc: 'i Subject: Re: LONG: Industry Consultation on APEC study of "Compatible and Sustainable International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services"

Frank March wrote:

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I am distributing this in the first instance to members of ISOCNZ

Council

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and to the NZNOG group. Apologies to those who get it twice. I also apologise to those who cannot read the Word format document. Anyone stuck, please email me and I will make some other arrangement; fax if necessary.

Frank,

I raised this issue at the AGM last month and I refered to the Society's Articles of Associaton. Section 8 at http://www.isocnz.org.nz/articles.htm says:

8 COMMUNICATION WITH MEMBERS

Every communication with a Member may be by electronic message in clear ASCII text, directed to the email address of the Member as recorded in the records of the Society, or where the Member has no such address by such other means as may be defined by the Bye-laws of the Society. Such messages will be acceptable for the conduct of the business of the Society unless the Chairperson shall advise that any specific business or meeting shall be conducted at a meeting at which Members are required to be physically present.

Given the attention being given to the activities of Microsoft in the US Courts, it seems to me that even indirect support should not be given to the activities of an organisation which attempts to subvert the open nature of the Internet that many of us have striven for over the years.

I may be cutting my nose off to spite my face here but until ISOCNZ changes its rules, then I will raise this issue every time I see this happen on an ISOCNZ list.

NZNOG of course has no such rules but I'd hope that they'd take a similar stance on open communication.

andy

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