The wholesale pricing for which registrars can buy domains is set by NZRS (www.nzrs.net.nz), which is currently $1.50 per month. Registrars are going to charge you 12 * $1.50 + some amount of margin per year for you to register a domain. There are a lot of registrars out there, so you might want to shop around. You can find a list of all the current registrars at: http://dnc.org.nz/story/30056-27-1.html Cheers, Blair On Jan 24, 2008 8:43 AM, Joe wrote:

I would also like to know this...

Regards,

Joe.

bigalownz wrote:

can someone tell me why .co.nz domains are the most expensive domains ?

where as most are about $6 - $15

but .co.nz are $30 - 60 and even $100

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On 24/01/2008, at 10:37 AM, Andy Linton wrote:

Blair Harrison wrote:

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The wholesale pricing for which registrars can buy domains is set by NZRS (www.nzrs.net.nz), which is currently $1.50 per month. Registrars are going to charge you 12 * $1.50 + some amount of margin per year for you to register a domain.

The fee is actually set by InternetNZ - see http://dnc.org.nz/story/30278-29-1.html for more detail.

...and InternetNZ is driven by it's members. Get involved - http://www.internetnz.net.nz/membership/ Jonny. (InternetNZ Councillor)

Easily - companies charge what they think people will pay. If you don't like it, buy your domains somewhere else, there is no shortage of people to buy from. On 24/01/2008, at 11:54 PM, Bigalownz wrote:

Thanks for the info

Ill shop around

So (12 x $150 + GST + margin)

$30 or lower is the avg price

I just can't see how some companies can charge

NZ $80-$100 a year

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The wholesale pricing for which registrars can buy domains is set by NZRS (www.nzrs.net.nz), which is currently $1.50 per month. Registrars are going to charge you 12 * $1.50 + some amount of margin per year for you to register a domain.

There are a lot of registrars out there, so you might want to shop around. You can find a list of all the current registrars at:

http://dnc.org.nz/story/30056-27-1.html

Cheers, Blair

On Jan 24, 2008 8:43 AM, Joe wrote:

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I would also like to know this...

Regards,

Joe.

bigalownz wrote:

can someone tell me why .co.nz domains are the most expensive domains ?

where as most are about $6 - $15

but .co.nz are $30 - 60 and even $100

thanks ________________________________

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Bigalownz wrote:

I just can't see how some companies can charge NZ $80-$100 a year

Perhaps they offer a lot of value added services? Perhaps they're just really well-marketed and advertised and have a lot of mindshare? Perhaps they have a captive uneducated market to sell into? There's all sorts of reasons why a company that sells expensive versions of things or services can exist in the same market as a cheaper version. For most people, a domain name (or two or three) is a no-big-deal one-off purchase and annual renewal. Doesn't really matter if it's $30 or $80. If your company is impacted by a $50 difference in a one-off cost then you have problems above and beyond worrying about the price of crappybusinessplan.co.nz (Note: I'm not suggesting that anyone reading this actually HAS a shitty business plan, regardless of their attitude towards NZ domain name pricing, IPoBigReflectors, domestic peering, or anything else. Please don't sue me. I'm just sayin' is all.) JSR

On 25/01/2008, at 11:05, Regan Murphy wrote:

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I just can't see how some companies can charge NZ $80-$100 a year Perhaps they offer a lot of value added services?

IMO there are far too many people in this country wanting to do everything 'cheap' and then whine when it isn't available 24/7. For example: relying on an email address such as me(a)somebigisp.co.nz for their business which supposedly can't survive if the email goes down for a day. These people should be considering a service where they get their own domain name and email hosting such that they can move it all if they have problems with their provider (which is less likely if they pay more for the service in the first place). Lets face it - if your email is that important to your business then why wouldn't you pay a little more for the reliability of delivery?

I wholeheartedly agree. I think Xtra should have just told the customers "Tough, pay for a business service for business-level reliability", but PR takes over. I also think that it's foolish to reply on email for critical business activities, just as most companies won't rely on standard post for anything time critical, as the nature of the protocol means you might not know about a failed delivery for days. Getting a new protocol running would be hard though.

I do agree though that for those of us who manage their own servers and services $30+ a year seems steep for a simple dns name registration, although the costs/options have come down since a few years ago.

Hence my use of a .com through a budget registrar. I don't need support, just point it at my nameservers kthxbai. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/

Also don't forget that having a .nz name provides funding to InternetNZ to do its broad range of work in promoting and protecting the Internet, including its sponsorship of the NZNOG conference, and the forthcoming Best Practices programme for the NZNOG community. InternetNZ has successfully batted for a better Internet for NZ in a huge number of ways over the years, including improvements in law, self regulation, outreach, technical betterment etc etc. WHat has Verisign (the registry for .com) done for NZ, apart from a) increasing the prices for .com and .net names, and b) higher returns to shareholders? Earlier in the thread there was reference to the economies of scale, of 300,000 names in .nz vs 50,000,000 names in .com. I would think if .nz only 3% of the .com numbers, it would probably offer similar prices to current .com prices. .nz has a history of reducing the price to registrars, whereas .com has a recent history of increasing prices, and has (under its agreement with ICANN) the right to increase prices every year by about 7%. Also worth noting is the competition for names in the .com space, where a number of registrars are able to use their connection to the registry as an advantage to pick up potentially useful expiring .com names and establish a reseller service to sell these names for huge amounts of money - essentially denying every day users from accessing the cute names at registry prices. Furthermore some .com registrars are able to use the 5 days tasting service, and keep rolling over names every 5 days to test their value for monetising those names through serving click through adverts - again denying millions of domain names coming available to the market. Through these sorts of activities and additional monetisation processes, they can offer regular domain name registry services for less than their cost of dealing with the .com registry. .nz has policies that current discourage registrars from participating in such practices, and as a result (along with the fact that the .nz space is relatively uncrowded) there is little cybersquatting or secondary market for domain names in NZ, meaning everyone gets a fair "suck of the sav" I think the fact that there is incredible diversity in pricing from .nz registrars, I guess ranging from $20 per year through to $180 per year is sufficient to give people real choice. I would also think that for most, the difference in price is not usually going to be a compelling reason to change registrars, as the domain name price when taken into account as part of their overall Internet bill would be a tiny proportion. If budget constraints are so critical, why not host a free Yahoo website and run your email through a free hotmail service? As with everything in life, it is worthwhile shopping around, but the differentiation should be a balance of a number of factors rather than merely the price? Keith Martin Kealey wrote:

Don't forget that the $30 buys not only DNS delegation, but also an entry in a title registry that doesn't subject you to a US-style "anyone with enough money to buy a lawyer can DRP you and steal your domain", but rather gives you a single, real person (Debbie Monahan) to talk to about such problems without spending any lawyer-money at all.