From: "Drew Broadley"
We could all possibly grab every redundant 10mbit hub in NZ and connect them down SH1 through the north island and call it CountryLink ?
OK, CityLink now runs CountryLink, and every NZ ISP is connected via a single peering exchange. CountyLink should then write to TelestraClear explaining the change in topology and how much it is going to cost TelstraClear to connect to CountryLink for "Domestic Peering", a per MB charge would seem appropriate. Cheers BG
Brian Gibbons wrote:
CountyLink should then write to TelestraClear explaining the change in topology and how much it is going to cost TelstraClear to connect to CountryLink for "Domestic Peering", a per MB charge would seem appropriate.
Say... 20c/MB? And no servers allowed, right? -- Juha
Brian Gibbons wrote:
We could all possibly grab every redundant 10mbit hub in NZ and connect them down SH1 through the north island and call it CountryLink ?
OK, CityLink now runs CountryLink, and every NZ ISP is connected via a single peering exchange.
CountyLink should then write to TelestraClear explaining the change in topology and how much it is going to cost TelstraClear to connect to CountryLink for "Domestic Peering", a per MB charge would seem appropriate.
Well as long as Telecom and TelstraClear don't have anything to do with the peering I'm sure we will be fine ;)
What about DSL traffic... Isnt the end user already being billed for transit of that data by telecom? (Jetstream) Or is this another way of double dipping?
At 02:47 p.m. 25/05/2004 +1200, Brian Gibbons wrote:
From: "Drew Broadley"
We could all possibly grab every redundant 10mbit hub in NZ and connect them down SH1 through the north island and call it CountryLink ?
OK, CityLink now runs CountryLink, and every NZ ISP is connected via a single peering exchange.
<humour> Actually we do this already, just not the length of SH1. Our pole top NIDs are in fact 100mbps switches powered over cat-5. The powering is arranged so that you can daisy chain them every 100m as long as the power holds out. The record so far is 300m down Lambton Quay (several Cafenet nodes). Of course if you get power injected at any mid point it means you can go a bit further. The gigE NID is almost ready, just waiting on punch down boards to arrive. So if someone is happy to pay, you could have a gigE link along SH1. And being a thoughtful kind sort, I'm happy to connect up homes as we go past. The CPE box adds power to the NIDs in the area so selling connex along the way is a win-win. So if MoRst or someone wants to do some real good, pass us a few $Ks for a truckload of gigE switches, and we're on our way........ </humour> rich
You could stick a long-haul module in the switch at each end, and then run fibre for 100k without needing any power whatsoever. And then you don't need to recable when you want to go to DWDM. I like light.
At 02:47 p.m. 25/05/2004 +1200, Brian Gibbons wrote:
From: "Drew Broadley"
We could all possibly grab every redundant 10mbit hub in NZ and connect them down SH1 through the north island and call it CountryLink ?
OK, CityLink now runs CountryLink, and every NZ ISP is connected via a single peering exchange.
<humour> Actually we do this already, just not the length of SH1. Our pole top NIDs are in fact 100mbps switches powered over cat-5. The powering is arranged so that you can daisy chain them every 100m as long as the power holds out. The record so far is 300m down Lambton Quay (several Cafenet nodes). Of course if you get power injected at any mid point it means you can go a bit further.
The gigE NID is almost ready, just waiting on punch down boards to arrive. So if someone is happy to pay, you could have a gigE link along SH1. And being a thoughtful kind sort, I'm happy to connect up homes as we go past. The CPE box adds power to the NIDs in the area so selling connex along the way is a win-win.
So if MoRst or someone wants to do some real good, pass us a few $Ks for a truckload of gigE switches, and we're on our way........
</humour>
rich
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At 06:15 p.m. 25/05/2004 +1200, you wrote:
You could stick a long-haul module in the switch at each end, and then run fibre for 100k without needing any power whatsoever. And then you don't need to recable when you want to go to DWDM.
I like light.
so do I - but the fo modules are expensive and don't let you connect up players along the way. We designed NIDs for residential use where we needed to avoid the cost of fiber or spread the cost of the fiber media converter over as many low cost connex as possible. I suspect that using a NID with nothing but a switch in it would allow you to go 1km on a single power feed. Must try it. So please don't watch SH1 too closely - I live in Tawa on SH1 :-)
At 06:39 p.m. 25/05/2004 +1200, Richard Naylor wrote:
We designed NIDs for residential use where we needed to avoid the cost of fiber or spread the cost of the fiber media converter over as many low cost connex as possible. I suspect that using a NID with nothing but a switch in it would allow you to go 1km on a single power feed. Must try it.
Just measured - a simple switch only NID draws 130mA at 12V. THats 1.56Watts. Round it up to 3 watts. Power feed gives you 48 watts. Thats 16 NIDs spaced out at 100m (ie 1.6km in ONE direction). Allow for some extra volt drop and you get 1km in one direction. Use 2 power feeds, one North and one south and you get 2km between power feeds. Wheres that drum of cable. I wonder if anyone would notice a small cable out the back of my van.....
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 06:58:31PM +1200, Richard Naylor wrote:
Wheres that drum of cable. I wonder if anyone would notice a small cable out the back of my van.....
Reminds me of an old Crump story about these jokers who went around the roads of Central Otago masquerading as road-painters. They were actually digging up the gold in the seal, or so the story goes. So all you need to do is get yourself one of those big chainsaws they use for digging cable channels, a bright orange vest... -- Cameron Kerr cameron.kerr(a)paradise.net.nz : http://nzgeeks.org/cameron/ Empowered by Perl!
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