Does anyone have any information about Annex M support (or potential) within New Zealand? FYI - Annex M is a version of ADSL2+ that allows increased upload speed at the expense of decreased download speed. It is backwards compatible with existing Annex A equipment. Michael
And btw... we use The Cisco 877-M (CISCO877-M-K9) which is all I buy in .au these days as the price is the same, and the wireless model (CISCO877W-G-E-M-K9) is much rarer and often hard to get. A normal Cisco 877/W does not support Annex-M. I've not yet seen a HWIC-1ADSL-M for 1800/2800 -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve -- NOC, NOC, who's there? -----Original Message----- From: Michael [mailto:nznog(a)fotw.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 8:58 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] ADSL & Annex M Does anyone have any information about Annex M support (or potential) within New Zealand? FYI - Annex M is a version of ADSL2+ that allows increased upload speed at the expense of decreased download speed. It is backwards compatible with existing Annex A equipment. Michael _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Michael wrote:
Does anyone have any information about Annex M support (or potential) within New Zealand?
FYI - Annex M is a version of ADSL2+ that allows increased upload speed at the expense of decreased download speed. It is backwards compatible with existing Annex A equipment.
To my knowledge[1] there are no Annex M offerings in NZ to date. I believe that the UCLL Spectrum Management Plan needs to be finalised and agreed before operators can offer anything other than classical ADSL1 and ADSL2plus services that exist on the network today. This includes Annex M and VDSL/VDSL2. Obviously this only applies to the Telecom/Chorus local loop - those that own their own loops are free to do whatever they want, and in the case of TelstraClear this has meant deploying VDSL2 services. aj [1] It's not that great, and it may have snuck past me. However I looked at Annex M a few months ago and nobody was offering it, or particularly planning to.
Apparently Telstra in Australia has chosen not to roll out Annex M in favour of doing VDSL later. Optus did announce that they were rolling out Annex-M, but may have changed their mind on that one. -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve -- NOC, NOC, who's there? -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Johnson [mailto:aj(a)sneep.net] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 10:20 AM To: nznog(a)fotw.com.au Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] ADSL & Annex M Michael wrote:
Does anyone have any information about Annex M support (or potential) within New Zealand?
FYI - Annex M is a version of ADSL2+ that allows increased upload speed at the expense of decreased download speed. It is backwards compatible with existing Annex A equipment.
To my knowledge[1] there are no Annex M offerings in NZ to date. I believe that the UCLL Spectrum Management Plan needs to be finalised and agreed before operators can offer anything other than classical ADSL1 and ADSL2plus services that exist on the network today. This includes Annex M and VDSL/VDSL2. Obviously this only applies to the Telecom/Chorus local loop - those that own their own loops are free to do whatever they want, and in the case of TelstraClear this has meant deploying VDSL2 services. aj [1] It's not that great, and it may have snuck past me. However I looked at Annex M a few months ago and nobody was offering it, or particularly planning to. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
To clarify, Telstra's decision isn't related to their local loop (as was
being referred to below), but just to their DSLAMs.
Annex-M is allowed on the Telstra local loop, and is being done by a number
of ISPs already.
Scott.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Skeeve Stevens
Apparently Telstra in Australia has chosen not to roll out Annex M in favour of doing VDSL later. Optus did announce that they were rolling out Annex-M, but may have changed their mind on that one.
-- Skeeve Stevens, CEO eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve -- NOC, NOC, who's there?
-----Original Message----- From: Alastair Johnson [mailto:aj(a)sneep.net] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 10:20 AM To: nznog(a)fotw.com.au Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] ADSL & Annex M
Michael wrote:
Does anyone have any information about Annex M support (or potential) within New Zealand?
FYI - Annex M is a version of ADSL2+ that allows increased upload speed at the expense of decreased download speed. It is backwards compatible with existing Annex A equipment.
To my knowledge[1] there are no Annex M offerings in NZ to date. I believe that the UCLL Spectrum Management Plan needs to be finalised and agreed before operators can offer anything other than classical ADSL1 and ADSL2plus services that exist on the network today. This includes Annex M and VDSL/VDSL2.
Obviously this only applies to the Telecom/Chorus local loop - those that own their own loops are free to do whatever they want, and in the case of TelstraClear this has meant deploying VDSL2 services.
aj [1] It's not that great, and it may have snuck past me. However I looked at Annex M a few months ago and nobody was offering it, or particularly planning to. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Indeed. They've just decided not to roll out the upgrades (which are available) out to their DSLAM's.... or knowing Telstra, have, and aren't activating it.
Anyone else apart from Agile (Internode) rolled it out in Australia?
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From: Scott Howard [mailto:scott(a)doc.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 10:32 AM
To: Skeeve Stevens
Cc: Alastair Johnson; nznog(a)fotw.com.au; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: Re: [nznog] ADSL & Annex M
To clarify, Telstra's decision isn't related to their local loop (as was being referred to below), but just to their DSLAMs.
Annex-M is allowed on the Telstra local loop, and is being done by a number of ISPs already.
Scott.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Skeeve Stevens
Does anyone have any information about Annex M support (or potential) within New Zealand?
FYI - Annex M is a version of ADSL2+ that allows increased upload speed at the expense of decreased download speed. It is backwards compatible with existing Annex A equipment.
To my knowledge[1] there are no Annex M offerings in NZ to date. I believe that the UCLL Spectrum Management Plan needs to be finalised and agreed before operators can offer anything other than classical ADSL1 and ADSL2plus services that exist on the network today. This includes Annex M and VDSL/VDSL2. Obviously this only applies to the Telecom/Chorus local loop - those that own their own loops are free to do whatever they want, and in the case of TelstraClear this has meant deploying VDSL2 services. aj [1] It's not that great, and it may have snuck past me. However I looked at Annex M a few months ago and nobody was offering it, or particularly planning to. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Anyone else apart from Agile (Internode) rolled it out in Australia?
iiNet are doing Annex M for business services: http://www.iinet.net.au/products/business/annexm.html Rob -- Robert Loomans Email: robertl(a)apnic.net Senior Software Engineer, APNIC Phone: +61 7 3858 3100 http://www.apnic.net Fax: +61 7 3858 3199
Sweet. -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve -- NOC, NOC, who's there? -----Original Message----- From: Robert Loomans [mailto:robertl(a)apnic.net] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 10:53 AM To: Skeeve Stevens Cc: Scott Howard; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] ADSL & Annex M Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Anyone else apart from Agile (Internode) rolled it out in Australia?
iiNet are doing Annex M for business services: http://www.iinet.net.au/products/business/annexm.html Rob -- Robert Loomans Email: robertl(a)apnic.net Senior Software Engineer, APNIC Phone: +61 7 3858 3100 http://www.apnic.net Fax: +61 7 3858 3199
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