Fellow nznog'ers, I think we have now fully covered the "New ADSL products are a joke", however funny. Time to move on to more technical and relevant issues. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------