Hi all, I would like to confirm my interest in the conference. However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day). I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments? Based on what I have seen, I would like to learm more about the cable network setup/s. (As covered in recent posts). Beyond that, I am happy with whatever else. Hence, I only need one email to express my interest. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 6:33 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day).
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for. If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for.
If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL.
Henceforth, To prove that I do know what mail filters are, Andy's arrogant and cheeky messages will be blocked by mine and the various ISP's/Co's that I do work for (We share a common blacklist database). - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 7:11 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
Henceforth, To prove that I do know what mail filters are, Andy's arrogant and cheeky messages will be blocked by mine and the various ISP's/Co's that I do work for (We share a common blacklist database).
I'm shaking in my boots. Wait until the media hears that you're willing to block mail to all of your clients based on one message that YOU didn't like. What an idiot/nazi/wanker. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Michael and all, Micheal, I am in part in agreement with you. However deploying your own Mail filters to keep your inbox clear of the "Andy Gardners" of the internet ML's is a very good suggestion. However debating the issue endlessly is a bit over the top and your suggestion of coming up with a proposal different than what is being considered that others can get behind is also a good suggestion that you provided as well. Andy Gardner wrote:
At 6:33 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day).
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for.
If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL.
-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Michael and all,
Micheal, I am in part in agreement with you. However deploying your own Mail filters to keep your inbox clear of the "Andy Gardners" of the internet ML's is a very good suggestion. However debating the issue endlessly is a bit over the top and your suggestion of coming up with a proposal different than what is being considered that others can get behind is also a good suggestion that you provided as well.
Andy Gardner wrote:
At 6:33 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day).
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for.
If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL.
-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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Hi all, Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the people organising the conference for making a comment without also providing an idea/contribution. My idea is this: There is many people on the list, and few who are contributing in regards to the conference. My non-contributing is not through apathy or disinterest, but rather because I am happy with learning whatever someone else cares to contribute to a conference. Eg: I have no preferences myself on subject. My idea is that the people who have lots to discuss and ideas, do so in private, and then come back with a list, which we can vote on. The reasoning behind this is that the "ideas" get discussed (And voted on?) at a piticular point in time, rather then ongoing where things could get involved and ideas/contributions can be forgotten/misplaced. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited On Tuesday 22 January 2002 21:08, you wrote: - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Michael and all, Thank you for the acalaid, but it was not deserved. I was eluding to your assertion in response to Andy's name calling post to your dislike for that sort of nonsense. I agreed to part of your original response in that proposing a proposal in comparison ot in stead of what is currently being proposed is much better than just name calling, as Andy did towards you ( now twice). But Andy was also correct in that deploying a personal filter to those sorts of persistent "Name Callers" on ML that Andy seem to haunt, is also a very good suggestion as well. Michael Hallager wrote:
Hi all,
Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the people organising the conference for making a comment without also providing an idea/contribution.
My idea is this:
There is many people on the list, and few who are contributing in regards to the conference. My non-contributing is not through apathy or disinterest, but rather because I am happy with learning whatever someone else cares to contribute to a conference. Eg: I have no preferences myself on subject. My idea is that the people who have lots to discuss and ideas, do so in private, and then come back with a list, which we can vote on. The reasoning behind this is that the "ideas" get discussed (And voted on?) at a piticular point in time, rather then ongoing where things could get involved and ideas/contributions can be forgotten/misplaced.
Best regards,
Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited
On Tuesday 22 January 2002 21:08, you wrote:
Michael and all,
Micheal, I am in part in agreement with you. However deploying your own Mail filters to keep your inbox clear of the "Andy Gardners" of the internet ML's is a very good suggestion. However debating the issue endlessly is a bit over the top and your suggestion of coming up with a proposal different than what is being considered that others can get behind is also a good suggestion that you provided as well.
Andy Gardner wrote:
At 6:33 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day).
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for.
If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL.
-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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Dear Jeff, I have been prompted to look at some of your previous posts to mailing lists, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is an issue between you and Andy. Anyway, Andy's message about "filters" was in relation to filtering out messages about the conference, and nothing to do with filtering "Name calling" or whatever issue I don't care about and would like this whole thing to stop here becuase there seems to be some politics that I was totally unaware of and don't want to be apart of or let the can of worms open any further. I don't call anyone names because I have a difference of opinion to them. But if Andy cares to apologise to me I will forget the whole thing and it will be like it never happened. Could any more discussion on the matter be handled in private as I am sure the rest of the list has better things to concern themselves with, and I don't want to fill their mail boxes up, the very same thing I complained about. Best regards, Michael Hallager
Thank you for the acalaid, but it was not deserved. I was eluding to your assertion in response to Andy's name calling post to your dislike for that sort of nonsense. I agreed to part of your original response in that proposing a proposal in comparison ot in stead of what is currently being proposed is much better than just name calling, as Andy did towards you ( now twice). But Andy was also correct in that deploying a personal filter to those sorts of persistent "Name Callers" on ML that Andy seem to haunt, is also a very good suggestion as well.
Michael Hallager wrote:
Hi all,
Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the people organising the conference for making a comment without also providing an idea/contribution.
My idea is this:
There is many people on the list, and few who are contributing in regards to the conference. My non-contributing is not through apathy or disinterest, but rather because I am happy with learning whatever someone else cares to contribute to a conference. Eg: I have no preferences myself on subject. My idea is that the people who have lots to discuss and ideas, do so in private, and then come back with a list, which we can vote on. The reasoning behind this is that the "ideas" get discussed (And voted on?) at a piticular point in time, rather then ongoing where things could get involved and ideas/contributions can be forgotten/misplaced.
Best regards,
Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited
On Tuesday 22 January 2002 21:08, you wrote:
Michael and all,
Micheal, I am in part in agreement with you. However deploying your own Mail filters to keep your inbox clear of the "Andy Gardners" of the internet ML's is a very good suggestion. However debating the issue endlessly is a bit over the top and your suggestion of coming up with a proposal different than what is being considered that others can get behind is also a good suggestion that you provided as well.
Andy Gardner wrote:
At 6:33 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day).
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for.
If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL.
-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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Michael and all, Michael Hallager wrote:
Dear Jeff,
I have been prompted to look at some of your previous posts to mailing lists, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is an issue between you and Andy.
I have no issue's with Andy. Many times I am in agreement with him. However I do know that Andy takes personal any issue that one might not agree with him on and as such he has "Issues" with me. I personally don't care if he or anyone does. What I do care about it that on a public mailing list, such name calling as a method of advancing an argument as well as being overall productive, is inconsistent with good reasoning or logic. Not to mention disruptive.
Anyway, Andy's message about "filters" was in relation to filtering out messages about the conference, and nothing to do with filtering "Name calling" or whatever issue I don't care about and would like this whole thing to stop here becuase there seems to be some politics that I was totally unaware of and don't want to be apart of or let the can of worms open any further.
Ok I think you are incorrect that the Name calling was not intentional to slur your idea, which was a good one IMHO. I also disagree respectfully that Andy's comments regarding "Filtering" were not directed in a negative and personally towards yourself or your statements of opinion of the real issue at hand...
I don't call anyone names because I have a difference of opinion to them. But if Andy cares to apologise to me I will forget the whole thing and it will be like it never happened.
Don't hold you breath while waiting for a public apology from Andy...
Could any more discussion on the matter be handled in private as I am sure the rest of the list has better things to concern themselves with, and I don't want to fill their mail boxes up, the very same thing I complained about.
Understood and agreed... I am setting two filters listing name calling and "Arrant Posts content" for members of this list right away...
Best regards,
Michael Hallager
Thank you for the acalaid, but it was not deserved. I was eluding to your assertion in response to Andy's name calling post to your dislike for that sort of nonsense. I agreed to part of your original response in that proposing a proposal in comparison ot in stead of what is currently being proposed is much better than just name calling, as Andy did towards you ( now twice). But Andy was also correct in that deploying a personal filter to those sorts of persistent "Name Callers" on ML that Andy seem to haunt, is also a very good suggestion as well.
Michael Hallager wrote:
Hi all,
Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the people organising the conference for making a comment without also providing an idea/contribution.
My idea is this:
There is many people on the list, and few who are contributing in regards to the conference. My non-contributing is not through apathy or disinterest, but rather because I am happy with learning whatever someone else cares to contribute to a conference. Eg: I have no preferences myself on subject. My idea is that the people who have lots to discuss and ideas, do so in private, and then come back with a list, which we can vote on. The reasoning behind this is that the "ideas" get discussed (And voted on?) at a piticular point in time, rather then ongoing where things could get involved and ideas/contributions can be forgotten/misplaced.
Best regards,
Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited
On Tuesday 22 January 2002 21:08, you wrote:
Michael and all,
Micheal, I am in part in agreement with you. However deploying your own Mail filters to keep your inbox clear of the "Andy Gardners" of the internet ML's is a very good suggestion. However debating the issue endlessly is a bit over the top and your suggestion of coming up with a proposal different than what is being considered that others can get behind is also a good suggestion that you provided as well.
Andy Gardner wrote:
At 6:33 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day).
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Take a chill pill, or learn what mail filters are for.
If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL.
-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 7:23 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote:
Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the people organising the conference for making a comment without also providing an idea/contribution.
Please don't respond to Jeff, it only encourages him.
Courtesy of Darrell Greenwood:
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Jeff makes the rules in his fantasy world. He has created this INEG
'Role Playing Game' in which he is using various mail lists as
suppliers of other unsuspecting players :-)
Correspondents are simply unwittingly (or wittingly in some cases)
playing Jeff's game.
I attach the latest version of the Jeff William's FAQ for archival purposes.
Cheers,
Darrell
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Jeff Williams' FAQ. (00/02)
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1. Who is Jeff Williams?
Jeffrey A. Williams,
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:33:26PM +1300, Michael Hallager wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to confirm my interest in the conference.
Great.
However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day). o
Well this thread of yours has just consumed 10 of those emails today =) See how innocently it starts. I bet you never meant to have it go like this =) We neither really did we.
I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments?
Ahhhhh if only it were that easy. Did you read Andy's (Linton) email about there being too much secretism in ISOCNZ? Well thats all that I was trying to avoid here. How would you all feel if I took off and decided myself what you were all going to see at a conference? Yeah - thought so, there is a good chance that there would be whinging about that. So really there is no way to win here. If you have the discussion in the open, then people moan about noise. If you have it behind doors then people also call foul.
Based on what I have seen, I would like to learm more about the cable network setup/s. (As covered in recent posts). Beyond that, I am happy with whatever else. Hence, I only need one email to express my interest.
Great - then stop saying anything else on this thread and perhaps the others will too. Lets hope that this can be the last message (I'm not holding my breath though). Dean PS. Note that there are no non-retorical questions in thos post - there is nothing that you need to reply to. Let it drop. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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Michael Hallager