Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
Ha, i wish i did. I regret not keeping one now, had i
known this all would have led to a herald artical, and
a post to nznog, i would have made sure i logged it.
Didnt think too much of it at the time figured they
were just idiots bragging about bullshit..
The only problem, there's no course of justice for
this kind of thing is there? net4u will get away scott
free?
--- Matthew Luckie
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No idea about the legal aspect, but having the collective wrath of NZNOG
fall on one cannot be a pleasant experience. I suspect it's only a matter
of time until they get null routed, blacklisted etc, if indeed they haven't
been already. Somehow I doubt the operators commununity will just let this
slide.
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David Clarke
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ICONZ Ltd
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rye a
There is, actually. The magic words are "credit by fraud". The tricky part is in demonstrating that the perpetrator made a pecuniary gain at the expense of the victim. I went around this loop in '94-95 or thereabouts at Vic Uni, when a couple of little toads got into a a couple of boxes using dictionary attacks on non-shadowed (mutter mutter Ultrix mutter IRIX mutter mutter) password files, (which in turn allowed dial-up access into the Vic network) and proceeded to use the available accounts to download piles of pirate software. Getting a conviction involves solving two puzzles: demonstrating that the offending activity happened and who did it, and demonstrating that the activity caused loss. In this case, demonstrating that it happened was done through logging and phone traces. You must be able to pin the activity to a person or organisation. Loss was demonstrated by providing logs of download traffic volumes, and relating those with NZGate volume charges. It's going to be more difficult to demonstrate specific loss in a bandwidth charged environment -- it's not merely sufficient to demonstrate that bandwidth was used, but that it actually cost more money than it would have had the theft not taken place. The really hard part about all this is putting it into really small words so that police, lawyers, judges etc who don't deal with this stuff from day to day can understand. Diagrams help. -- don
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, rye a wrote:
Net4u may or may not get away with it, depending on how the case is approached. The people directly involved may end up being adjudged bankrupt, and I imagine anyone with Net4u on their CV will have a very hard time getting a job in the industry, given the people on this list. Even if they start up their own business again, they'd have difficulty finding anyone who will deal with them IMHO. Ashamed to live in the same town as these clowns.. anyone got a baseball bat I can borrow? I broke the kids' one on the last twit who annoyed me ;) Regards Richard Making an HONEST living since forever
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