My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my post was inappropriate. My resons for copying the list were: - There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person concerned as well as the list will save future queries. - There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a post from me. I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through the coals for it, then: A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will take your comments on board. Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:57 a.m. To: NZNOG Mailing List (NZNOG Mailing List) Subject: RE: [nznog] vISP

Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ?

This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, contact me off list for details" would have sufficed.

(but then you already know this as you have been told repeatedly about this sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three years _at least_)

I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one of his criteria then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly be called "reputable"

-- Steve.

At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote:

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Hi there Neo

I notice that you are a HyperNet user. Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple in Australia.

Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill :-) (pretty much)

The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to know..

Cheers

Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666

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-----Original Message----- From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] vISP

Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, standard service.

neo

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