Multicast POP email/news worked fine, but in some cases was quite hard to setup. Due to lack of demand and customer interest we turned it off. - Simon Allard Simon Allard (Senior Systems Programmer) IHUG Ph (09) 358-5067 Email: simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz I'm out of my mind right now, but feel free to leave a message.....

When I first 'trialed' IHug's Satellite service we had access to their Multicast POP email/news services etc;. Can't recall if it ever worked or not, maybe someone at IHug might like to comment on weather or not it is still in existance?

Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kerr" To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [nznog] Multicast status in New Zealand

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Hello, I work as a teaching fellow in Telecommunications, teaching small-time network management and network programming.

I am currently trying to learn more about multicast (IPv4 now, v6 later), in preparation for teaching multicast programming half way through the second semester. However, in the course we won't be connected to the internet, so I'm using my own home network to advance my understanding.

I have a few questions about the current state of affairs wrt ISPs and content in New Zealand.

1) What broadband (and dial-up, for completeness) ISPs are multicast capable/friendly? Particularly Orcon, since our flat has just moved there.

2) What is needed to activate it at the users end (anything they need to do with mbone etc), or does the ISP deal with that?

3) Is there much in the way of content available?

4) Are there issues with NAT??? (I have a Nokia M1122 doing NAT, with Linux router/firewall behind it)

Or alternatively, is there any documentation that answers these questions in the New Zealand environment. (If not, I'd be willing to help write/test.)

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:11:49 +1200 (NZST), Simon Lyall wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Dan Clark wrote:

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When I first 'trialed' IHug's Satellite service we had access to their Multicast POP email/news services etc;. Can't recall if it ever worked or not, maybe someone at IHug might like to comment on weather or not it is still in existance?

It worked okay, we phased it out a year or two back since it wasn't worth maintaining for the very low number of customers using it.

IHUG also used to have their United Networks router on the multicast backbone that Craig mentions... is that still the case? -- Nathan Ward Esphion Ltd.

GeorgeFM and BFM Multicast streams are long gone.

Unless they turned it off then its prob still enabled.(but no content) (GeorgeFM and BFM where broadcast via Multicast last time I looked). I am pretty sure I can multicast any of our customers (Orcon) who are connected via us (non dialup/DSL customers). It would just involve time to get it up and working on our entire network again and getting a Multicast feed from overseas setup. But wihtout having a killer ap or connections which can use them (like Telecom looking into enabling then DialIP/IPNET/Jetstream Network) 99% of the peopel conencted on these mediums won't see anything)

Thanks Craig

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:22:49 +1200, Cameron Kerr wrote:

Judging by the responses I recieved, I'm led to believe that no ISPs currently support multicast.

I'm forced then to consider the MBone. However there is very little in the way of instructions for connecting to the mbone (all the instructions say is to start mrouted). However, where does the other endpoint for the tunnel go? Is anyone here attached to the MBone? Are there any places you can connect to (preferably in NZ) for free?

I'm starting to think that IPv4 multicast will never come, instead, the first public offering of multicast capabilities to the general public will come with IPv6. Afterall, the corporate attitude is the same towards the two technologies is the same (No-one uses it, so we won't provide it). Is this a reasonable conclusion do you think?

Thanks for your answers.

DISCLAIMER: This email is what I recall, it may be completely incorrect "The mbone is dead" - Greg Shepherd, Uniforum 2002. The mbone was a test network. What is left of it now is more of an informal thing. Lots of people use multicast internally. I remember at uniforum it was mentioned that the hold up on multicast in NZ (read: Telecom ADSL and the like), was that it was hard to charge for. -- Nathan Ward Esphion Ltd.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:09:47 +1200, Cameron Kerr wrote:

On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 12:45:16PM +1200, Nathan Ward wrote:

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"The mbone is dead" - Greg Shepherd, Uniforum 2002.

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this?

I've scoured uniforum.org and uniforum.org.nz but could not find this.

It was his opening line in his multicast talk right after a talk by David Robb about how cool the mbone was. IIRC. -- Nathan Ward Esphion Ltd.

Orcon, Xtra and Attica, IHUG where talking/connecting via MBGP/msdp @ APE 6+ months ago in various forms so we could broadcast our Multicast Streams etc to each other, but as there is/was no content it mostly went into nothingness. As no (as far as I know) Carriers can give a connection which include Multicast Access, a Tunnel is needed to someplace overseas to connect to (If anyone knows of a good place I can set up the tunnel please let me know, so I can set one up). Then you have to get it to the users,(The hard part). Customers would have to run Tunnels to the ISP (as Telecom Jetstream/Jetstart/Dialup) network can't(or won't) handle it at the moment., but to Frame/UNL etc customers its pretty easy to do (As long as their routers are set up correctly to handle Multicast) Ok, now we have it all setup and working.. So what can we use it for? I would of presumed Telecom's Jetvideo would use Multicast to send the Radio Stations/TV to the users, but I presume they are using Unicast so we have 1000 streams to 1000 users instead of 1. Can anyone from Telecom comment on JetVideo? I never got to talk to the Sales people at places they where advertising it. (Ice Expo etc) Thanks Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kerr" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [nznog] Multicast status in New Zealand

Judging by the responses I recieved, I'm led to believe that no ISPs currently support multicast.

I'm forced then to consider the MBone. However there is very little in the way of instructions for connecting to the mbone (all the instructions say is to start mrouted). However, where does the other endpoint for the tunnel go? Is anyone here attached to the MBone? Are there any places you can connect to (preferably in NZ) for free?

I'm starting to think that IPv4 multicast will never come, instead, the first public offering of multicast capabilities to the general public will come with IPv6. Afterall, the corporate attitude is the same towards the two technologies is the same (No-one uses it, so we won't provide it). Is this a reasonable conclusion do you think?

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Overseas content proved to be largely boring, lossy, and not worth getting back when I played with it at ihug. Now this might have changed since then, but I suspect that locally generated content is still the way to go.

http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_57.html there are some meetings that are multicast that i have some interest in and would like to listen to, as would the average network geek. the multicast sessions are denoted with a *