You were not supposed to be on that list. I wouldn't deal with you on the basis of your degree of involvement with Net4u. Mr Net4u 2IC giving me a lecture? Don't throw stones in glass houses. Michael Hallager
A few NZNOGers have received an email. Out of these few, even fewer have complained. I have just received some complaints from people whom in in all likelyhood have a short memory for names/people they have had contact with.
Hell, if we have to all individually complain to get the point across that spam sucks (I even have to get the point across?), then treat this as an individual complaint.
If you're going to try and say I have a short memory for names/people I have had contact with, you're wrong. About the only reason you'd have my email address is because I was once employed by a company who provided you with connectivity to the vast network that is the interweb. But wait, if you'd emailed me with respect to that, you would have used my work email address. Whoops, guess you got my address from NZNOG.
However 50% of those who have complained never received anything in the first place because I check their names and NOTHING..... comes up.
I assure you I received a copy of your spam. I'll forward it back to you with headers if you don't believe me.
Also some people are starting to post myths and fake stories up here now.
There is no spamming, no email harvesting, no nonsense, no conspiracy.
?! The only myth I've seen so far is that "there is no spamming".
As much as it might suit some peoples egos to continue on with this tirade, I have done everything I can and apologised several times.
Wrong. Doing everything you can would have involved not sending the spam in the first place.
I really don't deserve the crap that I receive from some people - I hope they never make an error of judgement in case they are on the receiving end of their own bad attitude. Complain to me, yes - abuse/threaten me, no.
You, are a spammer. Spammers deserve what they get.
As an aside, if you've never dealt with Richard and/or Helix, how come he received a copy of your spam? Whoops, NZNOG harvesting again.
In case you haven't got the message, remove me from your list.
Michael.
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I was a CUSTOMER ONLY. I lost several thousand dollars as a result of them going under and leaving me disconnected for 8 days. Dec 23, 2003 - Dec 30, 2003 due to it being xmas and all.
You were not supposed to be on that list. I wouldn't deal with you on the basis of your degree of involvement with Net4u.
Weren't you a Net4U customer, Michael?
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Michael Hallager wrote:
I was a CUSTOMER ONLY. I lost several thousand dollars as a result of them going under and leaving me disconnected for 8 days. Dec 23, 2003 - Dec 30, 2003 due to it being xmas and all.
You get alot of people buying second hand routers for their next of kin's chrissy presents do you? What do you want for Christmas John boy ? -Richard Head Asshat || Doing Asshattey things || With Asshatty Sig's
Most of our clients are businesses, not ISP's. I certainly won't be offering you a router for xmas.... For the few people who have been rude about things, that is your option, but it is also your option to take your business elsewhere (I have noted who you are) regardless of the fact that the local distributor: a. Dosn't have the item in stock and it will be 1-3 weeks away. (Most likely) b. The cost leaves a sizeable dent in your wallet. -and- your router / switch whatever has thrown a wobbly and networkStuff happens to have a very good ex-stock specialist parts holding. -and- the many times I am asked to reccomend an ISP to a corporate / business client. I have done everything I can for the few polite people who have asked either way. The level of professionalism demonstrated by a few people here tonight is a good indication of why I hear the number of complaints that I do. Of course well over 90% of people represented herereally have more important things to do then play silly buggers like Richard P. below. Michael Hallager
I was a CUSTOMER ONLY. I lost several thousand dollars as a result of them going under and leaving me disconnected for 8 days. Dec 23, 2003 - Dec 30, 2003 due to it being xmas and all.
You get alot of people buying second hand routers for their next of kin's chrissy presents do you?
What do you want for Christmas John boy ?
-Richard
Head Asshat || Doing Asshattey things || With Asshatty Sig's
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Michael Hallager wrote:
Most of our clients are businesses, not ISP's. I certainly won't be offering you a router for xmas....
For the few people who have been rude about things, that is your option, but it is also your option to take your business elsewhere (I have noted who you are) regardless of the fact that the local distributor: a. Dosn't have the item in stock and it will be 1-3 weeks away. (Most likely) b. The cost leaves a sizeable dent in your wallet. -and- your router / switch whatever has thrown a wobbly and networkStuff happens to have a very good ex-stock specialist parts holding. -and- the many times I am asked to reccomend an ISP to a corporate / business client.
I have done everything I can for the few polite people who have asked either way.
The level of professionalism demonstrated by a few people here tonight is a good indication of why I hear the number of complaints that I do.
Woe ! Can you *please* leave the other suppliers out of this ? (This alone shows a total lack of professionalism). Michael, you can't tell me that 20 or so people are wrong. At the moment, it seems that you're living in a greenhouse, please stop throwing stones.
For the few people who have been rude about things, that is your option, but it is also your option to take your business elsewhere (I have noted who you are) regardless of the fact that the local distributor: a. Dosn't have the item in stock and it will be 1-3 weeks away. (Most
Its generally easier for the customer to just goto ebay get the item themselves. Cut out the middleman etc. likely)
b. The cost leaves a sizeable dent in your wallet. -and- your router / switch whatever has thrown a wobbly and networkStuff happens to have a very good ex-stock specialist parts holding. -and- the many times I am asked to reccomend an ISP to a corporate / business client.
[Well, given that I'd replied to Michael off-list and it's been CC'd back to the list, we'll assume that he no longer wants to be contacted off-list] Michael Hallager said:
You were not supposed to be on that list. I wouldn't deal with you on the basis of your degree of involvement with Net4u.
My degree of involvement? What, so as an employee of a company, when a director does something stupid, that's my fault?
Mr Net4u 2IC giving me a lecture?
Not sure where you got the 2IC bit from. I was never a director, manager, nor had input in the day to day operation of the company.
Don't throw stones in glass houses.
Don't spam your target market when your target market are among some of the biggest spam haters on the face of the planet. Michael
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