Hmm.

David Robb

31 Jul 2001 31 Jul '01

12:38 p.m.

Is this true? http://www.bogusjourney.com/08018.html David Robb --- Senior Network Engineer DDI +64-9-359-2710 ihug (AS7657) NOC +64-9-359-2708 "The Earth is a single point of failure" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Keith Davidson

31 Jul 31 Jul

12:50 p.m.

Someone said:

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Is this true?

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams? I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-) Keith Davidson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Matt Camp

1:33 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Keith Davidson wrote:

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The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

Same email address. Same sig. Same tone of posting as many posts made by him on many other NOG lists. (many of which he has been forcibly removed from) Same rest of the group getting pissed off at his inane arguments. Quote from another post about him: ----------------------------------------- 2. Why should I take care in sending private email to Jeff Williams? He will post it to the list. Ironically, in his email postings so far the content has been counter-productive to his reputation and credibility. You should presume any email to him will posted to the list. ----------------------------------------- Sound familiar to the one we know? --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Chris Wedgwood

2 p.m.

On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 05:50:04PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote: The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams? I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-) If it's a slow news day some clueless person masquerading as a journalist might write an article on this (getting all the facts wrong of course). --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

!Dr. Joe Baptista

12:02 p.m.

i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams. regards joe baptista http://www.dot-god.com/ On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 05:50:04PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote:

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

If it's a slow news day some clueless person masquerading as a journalist might write an article on this (getting all the facts wrong of course).

--cw

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Alastair Johnson

3:05 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams.

FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...) aj. ... All your base are belong to us ... --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

!Dr. Joe Baptista

1:28 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Alastair Johnson wrote:

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams.

FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...)

don't be lazy - just post the urls for our collective amusement. and maybe we should rename the conference - the joe baptista and jeff williams show. we both have such a colorfull history i'm sure we can fill your empty lives with such abandon. the only net kooks here my dear alastair are the ones who get fished into off topic discussions which constribute to nothing but the propagation of myths and the general entertainment. regardless of the validity of any arguement respecting jeff williams - the only issue is what topical relevance to the nznog does it have. and why is it that we are now going to spend countless days in a discussion concerning jeff williams. i've seen this all before - and like i said the only fools are you people who end up falling for it. you analize jeff williams to death in endless emails and i and others will have to put up with the drivel for days. this sort of behaviour is psychotic. i even have a label for it - email masturbation. however some of us don't have time to email masturbate over jeff williams. i would personally like to see more on the code red worm. but - that maybe to much to ask of the nznog - after all - jeff williams is by far much more interesting the the code red worm - so i maybe appealing to a lost cause. ;-) -- http://www.dot-god.com/ Joe Baptista The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Matt Camp

4:34 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Alastair Johnson wrote:

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FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...)

http://www.kkc.net/baptista/ I'm considering just procmail'ing all content from either !Dr Baptista, or Jeff. Responding is what they want from us. --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

!Dr. Joe Baptista

3 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Matt Camp wrote:

...

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Alastair Johnson wrote:

...
FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...)

http://www.kkc.net/baptista/

I'm considering just procmail'ing all content from either !Dr Baptista, or Jeff.

Responding is what they want from us.

I don't want that from you - I say procmail me immediately. Don't even give it second thought. But you have put me in a position where i have to defend myself. The net kook charges are correct. this story you have pointed to was a setup story developed by myself and major tom. in fact Major Tom who complained about me in the article - wrote a lovely article about me which unfortunately is no longer available at the eff - but you get the jist of it from the subject index at the eff. http://www.eff.org/Activism/FOIA/..#files i got the net kook designation when i told ont.general the newsgroup that i was going to terminate existing freedom of information legislation in the province of ontario by engaging government system resources. everyone laughted. then i engaged them - the FOI commissioner had his first ever public hearing resulting in an order which terminated FOI in the province of ontario - canada - i.e. http://www.ipc.on.ca/english/orders/orders-m/m-618.HTM above you will find the order that has had every journalist in canada crying and complaining that they no longer have access to information. they blame me of course - and the comissioner in charge of the ipc disappeared for a few years only to show up again as an appeals officer for the used auto department. in the civil service that sort of appointment is a demotion. of course the ramifications of order m-618 are enormouse - i.e. see: http://search.ipc.on.ca/query.html?col=content&col=orders&col=privacy&ht=0&qp=&qt=m-618&qs=&qc=content+orders+privacy&pw=100%25&ws=0&la=en&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=0 i have also had police chiefs fired. have had extensive newpaper reporting in canada of my activities - yada yada yada. now i'm involved in opening up the top level domain system - i.e. dns - which see: http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,,10_364761,00.html and there's a technical issue we could all really sink our teeth into. so matt - in the end - if i'm a kook - then i'm a happy, busy and very productive kook - but one thing i am not and that is boring. something i accuse you of being. now matt - a word of advice - if you must subject us to this constant drivel about jeff williams and joe baptista - may i suggest you take this off topic discussion to alt.fan.joe-baptista - my personal newsgroup - just for you. I hereby appoint you moderator of it and by default make you the king of kooks. enjoy the crown - and now i beg of you - lets get back to good ol boring technical drivel - thats my interest in being here. not wet nursing someone like you in the hope you get back on topic. regards joe http://www.dot-god.com/

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Jeff Williams

1 Aug 1 Aug

1:02 p.m.

Joe, Matt and all, Well Joe one has to wonder about the creditability of someone spreading FUD when their own web page http://www.noise.net.nz/ is "Seriously Under Construction". Enough said???!! Hummmm? >;) I now yet again put back on my flame suit and ready my FUD repellent! !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

...

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Matt Camp wrote:

...
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Alastair Johnson wrote:

...
FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...)

http://www.kkc.net/baptista/

I'm considering just procmail'ing all content from either !Dr Baptista, or Jeff.

Responding is what they want from us.

I don't want that from you - I say procmail me immediately. Don't even give it second thought.

But you have put me in a position where i have to defend myself. The net kook charges are correct. this story you have pointed to was a setup story developed by myself and major tom.

in fact Major Tom who complained about me in the article - wrote a lovely article about me which unfortunately is no longer available at the eff - but you get the jist of it from the subject index at the eff.

http://www.eff.org/Activism/FOIA/..#files

i got the net kook designation when i told ont.general the newsgroup that i was going to terminate existing freedom of information legislation in the province of ontario by engaging government system resources. everyone laughted.

then i engaged them - the FOI commissioner had his first ever public hearing resulting in an order which terminated FOI in the province of ontario - canada - i.e.

http://www.ipc.on.ca/english/orders/orders-m/m-618.HTM

above you will find the order that has had every journalist in canada crying and complaining that they no longer have access to information. they blame me of course - and the comissioner in charge of the ipc disappeared for a few years only to show up again as an appeals officer for the used auto department. in the civil service that sort of appointment is a demotion.

of course the ramifications of order m-618 are enormouse - i.e. see:

http://search.ipc.on.ca/query.html?col=content&col=orders&col=privacy&ht=0&qp=&qt=m-618&qs=&qc=content+orders+privacy&pw=100%25&ws=0&la=en&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=0 i have also had police chiefs fired. have had extensive newpaper reporting in canada of my activities - yada yada yada.

now i'm involved in opening up the top level domain system - i.e. dns - which see:

http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,,10_364761,00.html

and there's a technical issue we could all really sink our teeth into.

so matt - in the end - if i'm a kook - then i'm a happy, busy and very productive kook - but one thing i am not and that is boring. something i accuse you of being.

now matt - a word of advice - if you must subject us to this constant drivel about jeff williams and joe baptista - may i suggest you take this off topic discussion to alt.fan.joe-baptista - my personal newsgroup - just for you. I hereby appoint you moderator of it and by default make you the king of kooks.

enjoy the crown - and now i beg of you - lets get back to good ol boring technical drivel - thats my interest in being here. not wet nursing someone like you in the hope you get back on topic.

regards joe

http://www.dot-god.com/

...
--- Matt Camp

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Tony Wicks

11:12 a.m.

Well you see Jeff, we all know that Matt is a respected engineer who is actively involved in the day to day running of the New Zealand Internet. But you wouldn't know that would you ? as you obviously have very little idea what you are ranting about. have a nice day :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Jeff Williams Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:02 PM To: !Dr. Joe Baptista Cc: Matt Camp; Alastair Johnson; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Hmm. Joe, Matt and all, Well Joe one has to wonder about the creditability of someone spreading FUD when their own web page http://www.noise.net.nz/ is "Seriously Under Construction". Enough said???!! Hummmm? >;) I now yet again put back on my flame suit and ready my FUD repellent! !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

...

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Matt Camp wrote:

...
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Alastair Johnson wrote:

...
FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...)

http://www.kkc.net/baptista/

I'm considering just procmail'ing all content from either !Dr Baptista, or Jeff.

Responding is what they want from us.

I don't want that from you - I say procmail me immediately. Don't even give it second thought.

But you have put me in a position where i have to defend myself. The net kook charges are correct. this story you have pointed to was a setup story developed by myself and major tom.

in fact Major Tom who complained about me in the article - wrote a lovely article about me which unfortunately is no longer available at the eff - but you get the jist of it from the subject index at the eff.

http://www.eff.org/Activism/FOIA/..#files

i got the net kook designation when i told ont.general the newsgroup that i was going to terminate existing freedom of information legislation in the province of ontario by engaging government system resources. everyone laughted.

then i engaged them - the FOI commissioner had his first ever public hearing resulting in an order which terminated FOI in the province of ontario - canada - i.e.

http://www.ipc.on.ca/english/orders/orders-m/m-618.HTM

above you will find the order that has had every journalist in canada crying and complaining that they no longer have access to information. they blame me of course - and the comissioner in charge of the ipc disappeared for a few years only to show up again as an appeals officer for the used auto department. in the civil service that sort of appointment is a demotion.

of course the ramifications of order m-618 are enormouse - i.e. see:

http://search.ipc.on.ca/query.html?col=content&col=orders&col=privacy&ht=0&q p=&qt=m-618&qs=&qc=content+orders+privacy&pw=100%25&ws=0&la=en&qm=0&st=1&nh= 10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=0

...

i have also had police chiefs fired. have had extensive newpaper reporting in canada of my activities - yada yada yada.

now i'm involved in opening up the top level domain system - i.e. dns - which see:

http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,,10_364761,00.html

and there's a technical issue we could all really sink our teeth into.

so matt - in the end - if i'm a kook - then i'm a happy, busy and very productive kook - but one thing i am not and that is boring. something i accuse you of being.

now matt - a word of advice - if you must subject us to this constant drivel about jeff williams and joe baptista - may i suggest you take this off topic discussion to alt.fan.joe-baptista - my personal newsgroup - just for you. I hereby appoint you moderator of it and by default make you the king of kooks.

enjoy the crown - and now i beg of you - lets get back to good ol boring technical drivel - thats my interest in being here. not wet nursing someone like you in the hope you get back on topic.

regards joe

http://www.dot-god.com/

...
--- Matt Camp

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Andy Gardner

11:37 a.m.

At 4:12 PM +1200 2/8/01, Tony Wicks wrote:

...

Well you see Jeff, we all know that Matt is a respected engineer who is actively involved in the day to day running of the New Zealand Internet. But you wouldn't know that would you ? as you obviously have very little idea what you are ranting about.

Here's a little gem archived in the ICANN IRC discussions (we were discussing the problems with the ICANN net connection in Yokohama). See http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/chatlog-071400.html

...

<JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:09) Jeff, next time you drop a gigabit line into a hotel

<Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) JohnWilbanks, No problem, except I will provide a sat-link of 662 gigabit uplink instead. Much easier and much more reliable...

-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Matt Camp

11:49 a.m.

Come on people. Let it go. Replying achieves nothing. --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

mat＠voyager.co.nz

11:55 a.m.

New subject: Hmm. - now virus?

I was just reading this post and noticed somethign funny in the header X-Authentication-Warning: kiwi.wise.net.nz: Host dup-200-64-243-21.prodigy.net.mx [200.64.243.21] claimed to be [192.168.1.50] X-Sender: agardner(a)wise.net.nz Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:37:23 -0500 To: From: Andy Gardner Subject: RE: Hmm. Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Namely the reference to prodigy.net.mx. Funny I say as we blocked this domain this morning due to an unusually high number of relay attempts to our mail logs, The Domain makes up part of the from address from different dialups around the world. eg: Aug 2 08:50:49 callisto sendmail[24903]: IAA24903: from=, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227] Aug 2 08:50:52 callisto sendmail[24941]: IAA24941: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227], reject=550 ... Relaying denied Aug 2 08:50:53 callisto sendmail[24941]: IAA24941: lost input channel from d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227] Aug 2 08:50:53 callisto sendmail[24941]: IAA24941: from=, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227] Aug 2 16:33:08 callisto sendmail[11077]: QAA11077: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=203-79-79-241.ipn8.paradise.net.nz [203.79.79.241], reject=550 ... Your domain is blocked due to abuse Aug 2 16:33:08 callisto sendmail[11077]: QAA11077: from=, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=203-79-79-241.ipn8.paradise.net.nz [203.79.79.241] Is this part of the SirCam Virus? If not does any one have any clues as to what it is? If so , do you have this virus Andy? At 11:37 PM 01/08/2001 -0500, you wrote:

...

At 4:12 PM +1200 2/8/01, Tony Wicks wrote:

...
Well you see Jeff, we all know that Matt is a respected engineer who is actively involved in the day to day running of the New Zealand Internet. But you wouldn't know that would you ? as you obviously have very little idea what you are ranting about.

Here's a little gem archived in the ICANN IRC discussions (we were discussing the problems with the ICANN net connection in Yokohama). See http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/yokohama/archive/chatlog-071400.html

...
<JohnWilbanks> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:09) Jeff, next time you drop a gigabit line into a hotel

<Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) JohnWilbanks, No problem, except I will provide a sat-link of 662 gigabit uplink instead. Much easier and much more reliable...

-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Matt Law Network Engineer Voyager NZ Ltd DDI +649 4439 443 PGP Public Key available http://www.voyager.co.nz/~mat/public-key.asc --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Andy Gardner

12:08 p.m.

New subject: Hmm. - now virus?

At 4:55 PM +1200 2/8/01, mat(a)voyager.co.nz wrote:

...

I was just reading this post and noticed somethign funny in the header

X-Authentication-Warning: kiwi.wise.net.nz: Host dup-200-64-243-21.prodigy.net.mx [200.64.243.21] claimed to be [192.168.1.50] X-Sender: agardner(a)wise.net.nz Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:37:23 -0500 To: From: Andy Gardner Subject: RE: Hmm. Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz

Namely the reference to prodigy.net.mx.

Funny I say as we blocked this domain this morning due to an unusually high number of relay attempts to our mail logs, The Domain makes up part of the from address from different dialups around the world. eg:

Aug 2 08:50:49 callisto sendmail[24903]: IAA24903: from=, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227] Aug 2 08:50:52 callisto sendmail[24941]: IAA24941: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227], reject=550 ... Relaying denied Aug 2 08:50:53 callisto sendmail[24941]: IAA24941: lost input channel from d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227] Aug 2 08:50:53 callisto sendmail[24941]: IAA24941: from=, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=d8-34.svm.c2i2.com [216.183.195.227] Aug 2 16:33:08 callisto sendmail[11077]: QAA11077: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=203-79-79-241.ipn8.paradise.net.nz [203.79.79.241], reject=550 ... Your domain is blocked due to abuse Aug 2 16:33:08 callisto sendmail[11077]: QAA11077: from=, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, relay=203-79-79-241.ipn8.paradise.net.nz [203.79.79.241]

Is this part of the SirCam Virus? If not does any one have any clues as to what it is? If so , do you have this virus Andy?

prodigy.com.mx is run by the emcumbant monopoly telco here in Mexico. That will tell you something about their open mail relay. :^) I connect via "Prodigy Turbo" which is the telco's ISDN service. ~US$80/month + US$0.20 per call (first 200 calls free). Routers dying off at inopportune moments is a common occurrence. I have no other choice for >56k connections apart from paying around about twice (or more) what you would in NZ for DDS. :^( -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Andy Gardner

12:20 p.m.

New subject: Hmm. - now virus?

At 4:55 PM +1200 2/8/01, mat(a)voyager.co.nz wrote:

...

If so , do you have this virus Andy?

Are you insinuating that I would let a computer with a Microsoft O/S inside my home? One debian box and a couple of G4 Mac's here, and THAT'S IT. Oh, and my wife's iMac. Now, wash your mouth out. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Keith Davidson

12:30 p.m.

New subject: Hmm. - now virus?

Mat wrote:

...

I was just reading this post and noticed somethign funny in the header

X-Authentication-Warning: kiwi.wise.net.nz: X-Sender: agardner(a)wise.net.nz

Well known Mexican spammer using well known open relay, spam friendly Wairarapa ISP...

...

Is this part of the SirCam Virus? If not does any one have any clues as to what it is? If so , do you have this virus Andy?

Part of that Apple Mac virus, I think. Keith Davidson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

J S Russell

12:42 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Andy Gardner wrote:

...

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<Jeff-INEGroup> (Thu, July 13, 2000 at 23:10) JohnWilbanks, No problem, except I will provide a sat-link of 662 gigabit uplink instead. Much easier and much more reliable...

Well ... if you had an entire birds worth of transponders, and used 16QAM or tighter modulation on all of them, you could maybe get to a noticable fraction of this. Wouldn't like to be standing at the focii of the uplink dish(es), however. Of course, what would I know - I bow to the phat skillz of the IRENEG Chair-coordinator-rep-president-poobah, or whatever he is. 95,000 engineers can't be wrong! JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Jeff Williams

1:28 p.m.

New subject: Hmm. - Matts FUD

Tony, Tony Wicks wrote:

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Well you see Jeff, we all know that Matt is a respected engineer who is actively involved in the day to day running of the New Zealand Internet.

I am happy to hear that! >;) Good for him. Honestly! I don't appreciate him taking so much of of his seemingly precious time posting FUD and casting false aspersions upon others, including myself. If he is so respected as you say, than he doesn't need to, nor should he be doing so. If he were working for me, he would be fired in short order for his behavior in public Mailing lists.

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But you wouldn't know that would you ? as you obviously have very little idea what you are ranting about.

I believe I do know exactly what I am talking about. I believe that a huge number of Network Eng. in my country and a few in yours and Matts do as well. Same is true in your whole region of the world for that matter.

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have a nice day :-)

You too! >;)

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-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Jeff Williams Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:02 PM To: !Dr. Joe Baptista Cc: Matt Camp; Alastair Johnson; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Hmm.

Joe, Matt and all,

Well Joe one has to wonder about the creditability of someone spreading FUD when their own web page http://www.noise.net.nz/ is "Seriously Under Construction". Enough said???!! Hummmm? >;)

I now yet again put back on my flame suit and ready my FUD repellent!

!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Matt Camp wrote:

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Alastair Johnson wrote:

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FWIW, Joe Baptista is another net.kook troll. (Try a google for net.kooks - most amusing...)

http://www.kkc.net/baptista/

I'm considering just procmail'ing all content from either !Dr Baptista, or Jeff.

Responding is what they want from us.

I don't want that from you - I say procmail me immediately. Don't even give it second thought.

But you have put me in a position where i have to defend myself. The net kook charges are correct. this story you have pointed to was a setup story developed by myself and major tom.

in fact Major Tom who complained about me in the article - wrote a lovely article about me which unfortunately is no longer available at the eff - but you get the jist of it from the subject index at the eff.

http://www.eff.org/Activism/FOIA/..#files

i got the net kook designation when i told ont.general the newsgroup that i was going to terminate existing freedom of information legislation in the province of ontario by engaging government system resources. everyone laughted.

then i engaged them - the FOI commissioner had his first ever public hearing resulting in an order which terminated FOI in the province of ontario - canada - i.e.

http://www.ipc.on.ca/english/orders/orders-m/m-618.HTM

above you will find the order that has had every journalist in canada crying and complaining that they no longer have access to information. they blame me of course - and the comissioner in charge of the ipc disappeared for a few years only to show up again as an appeals officer for the used auto department. in the civil service that sort of appointment is a demotion.

of course the ramifications of order m-618 are enormouse - i.e. see:

http://search.ipc.on.ca/query.html?col=content&col=orders&col=privacy&ht=0&q p=&qt=m-618&qs=&qc=content+orders+privacy&pw=100%25&ws=0&la=en&qm=0&st=1&nh= 10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=0

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i have also had police chiefs fired. have had extensive newpaper reporting in canada of my activities - yada yada yada.

now i'm involved in opening up the top level domain system - i.e. dns - which see:

http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,,10_364761,00.html

and there's a technical issue we could all really sink our teeth into.

so matt - in the end - if i'm a kook - then i'm a happy, busy and very productive kook - but one thing i am not and that is boring. something i accuse you of being.

now matt - a word of advice - if you must subject us to this constant drivel about jeff williams and joe baptista - may i suggest you take this off topic discussion to alt.fan.joe-baptista - my personal newsgroup - just for you. I hereby appoint you moderator of it and by default make you the king of kooks.

enjoy the crown - and now i beg of you - lets get back to good ol boring technical drivel - thats my interest in being here. not wet nursing someone like you in the hope you get back on topic.

regards joe

http://www.dot-god.com/

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31 Jul 31 Jul

4:56 p.m.

Joe and all, ROFLMAO! Your right of course as usual Joe! >;) !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams.

regards joe baptista

http://www.dot-god.com/

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 05:50:04PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote:

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

If it's a slow news day some clueless person masquerading as a journalist might write an article on this (getting all the facts wrong of course).

--cw

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!Dr. Joe Baptista

1:14 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jeff Williams wrote:

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Joe and all,

ROFLMAO! Your right of course as usual Joe! >;)

of course - elimentary realy - humans as a rule live boring lives - and the people here are average humans. and for a moment - which usually becomes weeks - you fill their empty boring existence with fun and frolick. you add spice and substance to thier lives. they become detectives on a mission. but in the end they are like puppets participating in an endless drama of building the icon of jeff williams. they see themselves as detractors - but in truth they are your fans and willing participants in making themselves into fools. after all - the constant drivel they utter in your name is simply off topic. in that they are fools. however on a brighter note i enjoy the entertainment value of it all. i've always admired you jeff - you have an excellent ability to lead the simple minded to the edge of the cliff - and then you save them before they jump off - just to do it all over again. a toast to you jeff williams and three well earned cheers. regards joe baptista -- http://www.dot-god.com/ Joe Baptista The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773

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!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams.

regards joe baptista

http://www.dot-god.com/

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 05:50:04PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote:

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

If it's a slow news day some clueless person masquerading as a journalist might write an article on this (getting all the facts wrong of course).

--cw

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Jeff Williams

5:55 p.m.

New subject: Hmm. Enjoying the driveling show! >;)

Joe and all, Thank you Joe, for the three cheers! Like you, I find this sort of drivel a most amusing display as well. Best entertainment I have had in a few days... >;) Now I will sit back and enjoy the driveling and amusing show! >;) !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jeff Williams wrote:

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Joe and all,

ROFLMAO! Your right of course as usual Joe! >;)

of course - elimentary realy - humans as a rule live boring lives - and the people here are average humans. and for a moment - which usually becomes weeks - you fill their empty boring existence with fun and frolick. you add spice and substance to thier lives. they become detectives on a mission. but in the end they are like puppets participating in an endless drama of building the icon of jeff williams. they see themselves as detractors - but in truth they are your fans and willing participants in making themselves into fools.

after all - the constant drivel they utter in your name is simply off topic. in that they are fools. however on a brighter note i enjoy the entertainment value of it all.

i've always admired you jeff - you have an excellent ability to lead the simple minded to the edge of the cliff - and then you save them before they jump off - just to do it all over again.

a toast to you jeff williams and three well earned cheers.

regards joe baptista

-- http://www.dot-god.com/

Joe Baptista

The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773

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!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams.

regards joe baptista

http://www.dot-god.com/

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 05:50:04PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote:

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

If it's a slow news day some clueless person masquerading as a journalist might write an article on this (getting all the facts wrong of course).

--cw

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Tim Shackleton

3:03 p.m.

Hi! How are you? I send you this bile in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jeff Williams wrote:

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Joe and all,

ROFLMAO! Your right of course as usual Joe! >;)

!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

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i've seen this show before. now everyone will talk about jeff williams for a few weeks - get no where - raise the traffic level in this conference to an unreasonable level - and in the end the only one laughting will be - of course - jeff williams.

regards joe baptista

http://www.dot-god.com/

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 05:50:04PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote:

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

If it's a slow news day some clueless person masquerading as a journalist might write an article on this (getting all the facts wrong of course).

--cw

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Bruce Campbell

2:07 p.m.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Keith Davidson wrote:

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Someone said:

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Is this true?

The first question is - is it the same Jeff Williams?

I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

I believe the term is more correctly, 'deja vu'. Your second likely question is most probably, 'where can I find out further information', which is answered by www.INEGroup.org, and searching google for the company mentioned in his .sig, quoted below. Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. Personally, I figure that it is a mail-based Eliza-derived program, using various protocol manuals/references, Tom Clancy novels and, for that extra touch of class, the complete works of William Shakespeare. The code behind it would be fairly interesting. ( I know I couldn't write it, heck, my mail-specific applications have their own problems ;) ) --==-- Bruce. Speaking for myself of course. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Keith Davidson

4:58 p.m.

Bruce Campbell wrote:

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I kinda get a feeling of deja vous here... :-)

I believe the term is more correctly, 'deja vu'.

Nope I wasn't referring to the web site that uses a bastardisation of the French language, I was referring to the feeling of having "been here before" i.e. deja vous. Just incidentally, I think a moderately accurate translation of "deja vu" would be "previously considered". Keith Davidson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Tim Shackleton

1:02 p.m.

I hope so, because then I'll get ANOTHER laugh out of it :-)

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Is this true?

http://www.bogusjourney.com/08018.html

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