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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:46:39 +1200 (NZST) From: "Mark Foster" Subject: Re: [nznog] NZNOG & Discussion Topics To: "NZNOG List" Message-ID:        <58919.119.15.0.26.1237178799.squirrel(a)webmail.blakjak.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

On Sat, March 14, 2009 8:44 am, Andy Linton wrote:

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On 13/03/2009, at 16:31 , Leo Vegoda wrote:

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In that spirit I'll repeat my suggestion for the update messages to include diffs.

I don't know what software is being run but if it's the RIPE database software then the update processor can be told to produce diffs in the notification messages it sends. If it's a different database then I'm fairly sure it's quite easy to plug in. I just know that knowing what the change is is probably a dead useful feature.

http://www.ripe.net/db/news/update-changes-200410.html

The back end is IRRD. The NZRR requirements are simple and running the RIPE code simply got too hard.

A good suggestion about the diffs and I know it's been asked for before. CityLink and I are planning to do some updates/changes to the software soon so that people can submit diffs as well as get them in the output etc.

If you have any burning requirements let me know and I'll feed it into the mix. Joe's idea of a separate list has some merit - again let me know directly and I'll come back to the list with results.

NZNOG in the great scheme of things doesn't seem to be so busy that the NZRR notifications nor discussion on 'related' topics are that big a deal from where I sit.

I don't read the NZRR notifications often as they don't relate directly to my day-to-day work but i glance at them occaisionally as they help me keep tabs on 'what's going on' out there.  Were they bounced to some other mailing list, I probably wouldn't read them at all as I don't need to see them so wouldn't 'opt-in'.

Suggest the same applies to any sort of 'off topic' mailing list that diverges from NZNOG itself.  The value of the list is diluted when less people are subscribed; the value of NZNOG is among other things, the knowledge that clooful, relevant people are likely to be reading it. Who's to say that theyre going to subscribe to another mailing list where the SNR is likely worse?

I like relevant subject lines... it's pretty easy to ignore / postpone for later / delete threads that you're genuinely not interested in, and I havn't yet seen the volume of traffic on NZNOG suggest an alternative means is required.  At the same time, i'm not sure that a 'chat' list would draw in the same crowd necessarily.

(Anyone remember NZNET?  Fizzled. Remember?)

Mark. IMHO.

I don't have any problems with the amount of traffic - the discussion about laws that will affect operations are relevant imho. That and it is nice to see activity and discussion on the list in general. Unfortunately it seems we have a lengthy discussion about "relevancy" almost every time there is something that only a few object to. Regards, Anton