I didn't bring it back on to the list and I am really not interested in the whole affair. I have too many genuine enquiries coming in to have any interest in debating things with those on this list who obviously have too much time on their hands. Michael Hallager Networkstuff Limited

This is really an off topic subject and should not have been brought back into the list Micheal.

Also, Tony is not the right person to question when it comes to Cisco equipment there Micheal. He has been around them for quite a while and knows his high-end stuff.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Wicks" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] ATM Recommendation

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relax and take the pills man..

and it you note, I emailed you... NOT THE LIST !

If Cisco now produces an oc3 card at less than 10k it is news to me ( used NOT included ) , especially since I have been using and buying Cisco's

since

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they produced their first router. ( my first was a pair of mgx's )

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-----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 6:08 PM To: Tony Wicks Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] ATM Recommendation

Hello,

That is what you think. You are entitled to your opinion.

I have checked my list and there are at least 3 OC3 modules all well under $3,000 NZD.

I have had several emails about this today. I am really not interested in getting into a debate with, or answer time-consuming support questions, with people who clearly have no intention of actually buying anything and/or aren't actually trying to learn anything of technical value.

I have already been stuffed around this week by an overseas list member, who got me to order in several hundred dollars worth of stuff especially for him, and then as soon as I had done this, he disappeared.

I am very happy to assist list members with quick questions or if they want to buy anything. However, like every other business in the NZ computer industry, there is limits.

Michael Hallager Networkstuff Limited

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Em, not oc3 michael... You wont even get a card for under 10k !

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-----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:14 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz

Not at all. I can offer a Cisco solution that would likely leave change out of $5K or $6K.

Kind regards,

Michael Hallager Networkstuff Ltd

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Oooooh, your clients are in for a bit of a shock. ATM and

low cost do

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not go in the same sentence together. ISPs who have bought Cisco equipment capable of ATM have spent 10s of thousands for

the correct

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ATM card and the modular chassis to go with it.

On the other hand, if you are prepared to be a bit experimental

you

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may be able to use a PC installed with Linux and a

supported PCI ATM

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card. I've never seen anyone try it though.

Regards, RH.

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