NNTP Access for APE connected machines.
Hi, I was wondering if any APE connected ISPs allow read/write NNTP access to other APE connected machines? Our connection here at work goes via Zivo, and I'm wanting to connect to a news server that carries comp.* and nz.*. Apologies if this is offtopic, but I thought this would be the best place to ask about such access. Mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I would seriously doubt anyone will give you access to their news servers
unless you are a customer. Why don't you use Zivo's news server ?
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From: "Mark Derricutt"
Hi, I was wondering if any APE connected ISPs allow read/write NNTP access to other APE connected machines?
Our connection here at work goes via Zivo, and I'm wanting to connect to a news server that carries comp.* and nz.*.
Apologies if this is offtopic, but I thought this would be the best place to ask about such access.
Mark
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Unfortunately Zivo don't provide a usenet server as they're not an ISP as
such, more just a bandwidth supplier.
--On Thursday, 10 May 2001 2:20 p.m. +1200 Tony Wicks
I would seriously doubt anyone will give you access to their news servers unless you are a customer. Why don't you use Zivo's news server ?
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On Thu, 10 May 2001, Mark Derricutt wrote:
Our connection here at work goes via Zivo, and I'm wanting to connect to a news server that carries comp.* and nz.*.
news.usenet.net.nz has read-only access for nz.* groups. Additional access my be available on request/donation. Email simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz if interested. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
If you turned this into a discussion about NNTP Peering across APE then it would be more on topic On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:50:26PM +1200, Mark Derricutt wrote:
Hi, I was wondering if any APE connected ISPs allow read/write NNTP access to other APE connected machines?
Our connection here at work goes via Zivo, and I'm wanting to connect to a news server that carries comp.* and nz.*.
Apologies if this is offtopic, but I thought this would be the best place to ask about such access.
Mark
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On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dean Pemberton wrote:
If you turned this into a discussion about NNTP Peering across APE then it would be more on topic
I thought everybody was nntp peering across APE? Email me if you are on APE and want to peer with ihug or usenet.net.nz . Simon. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I dunno - All I was saying was that it would be more on topic On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 03:17:37PM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dean Pemberton wrote:
If you turned this into a discussion about NNTP Peering across APE then it would be more on topic
I thought everybody was nntp peering across APE?
Email me if you are on APE and want to peer with ihug or usenet.net.nz .
Simon.
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Yeh... this ain't no "Flyin Shose! Flyin Shose!" list is it? :: I dunno - All I was saying was that it would be more on topic :: :: On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 03:17:37PM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: :: > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dean Pemberton wrote: :: > > If you turned this into a discussion about NNTP Peering :: across APE then :: > > it would be more on topic :: > :: > I thought everybody was nntp peering across APE? :: > :: > Email me if you are on APE and want to peer with ihug or :: usenet.net.nz . :: > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
If you turned this into a discussion about NNTP Peering across APE then it would be more on topic
Or any sort of peering in our case! After AsiaOnline's woe the other day, we notified Telecom that due to their stupidity and arrogance we are establishing our own link to the APE where we will peer with AsiaOnline and others ourselves. Is Telecom global gateway the only player that wants to sit in the corner with the ball, or are there (significant) others? Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Peter Mott wrote:
After AsiaOnline's woe the other day, we notified Telecom that due to their stupidity and arrogance we are establishing our own link to the APE where we will peer with AsiaOnline and others ourselves.
Well Orcon and 2day just about round out the list of large ISPs in the country. That about leave KC and Netgate out in the cold.
Is Telecom global gateway the only player that wants to sit in the corner with the ball, or are there (significant) others?
GG/Netgate is by far the biggest provider not peering across WIX or APE. Netgate are on Ape but I don't know if the link is unused or perhaps for delivering international bandwidth. I would assume it would be cheaper for smaller providers to get (say) a 1Mb/s link into APE (and get their netgate bandwidth there) than run 512k link to APE and another 512k link to Netgate. Anybody know if GG/Netgate do this? There are private peering links for ihug to netgate and tsnz to netgate (I think) right now. Not sure about Clear to Netgate. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Well Orcon and 2day just about round out the list of large ISPs in the country. That about leave KC and Netgate out in the cold.
I haven't heard from DD for a while, I guess he will be ok as long as he has some Guinness and pinball machine nearby :-) Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Evening all On Thu, 10 May 2001, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Peter Mott wrote:
After AsiaOnline's woe the other day, we notified Telecom that due to their stupidity and arrogance we are establishing our own link to the APE where we will peer with AsiaOnline and others ourselves.
Well Orcon and 2day just about round out the list of large ISPs in the country. That about leave KC and Netgate out in the cold.
Is Telecom global gateway the only player that wants to sit in the corner with the ball, or are there (significant) others?
GG/Netgate is by far the biggest provider not peering across WIX or APE. Netgate are on Ape but I don't know if the link is unused or perhaps for delivering international bandwidth.
The connection on port 3 of our APE switch is up, the MAC address on that port resolves to Netgate's APE IP#, and its description is TCNZ. Taking that as evidence that I'm looking at the right connection, this is their port utilisation: 5 minute input rate 2927000 bits/sec, 1143 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 2269000 bits/sec, 1162 packets/sec 226545933 packets input, 2159292636 bytes Received 241065 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored 0 watchdog, 240829 multicast 0 input packets with dribble condition detected 250088800 packets output, 3635801519 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 2 interface resets 0 babbles, 0 late collision, 0 deferred 0 lost carrier, 0 no carrier 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out So yes, you can safely say that Global Gateway are up and running on APE, and sending traffic somewhere.
I would assume it would be cheaper for smaller providers to get (say) a 1Mb/s link into APE (and get their netgate bandwidth there) than run 512k link to APE and another 512k link to Netgate.
One would assume so.
Anybody know if GG/Netgate do this?
No idea, I suspect they'll have to soon.
There are private peering links for ihug to netgate and tsnz to netgate (I think) right now. Not sure about Clear to Netgate.
I had a feeling Telstra Saturn dropped theirs, but I might be wrong. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
So yes, you can safely say that Global Gateway are up and running on APE, and sending traffic somewhere.
Before NG->APE Traffic via NG->TS went via OZ!!!
I would assume it would be cheaper for smaller providers to get (say) a 1Mb/s link into APE (and get their netgate bandwidth there) than run 512k link to APE and another 512k link to Netgate.
One would assume so.
Anybody know if GG/Netgate do this?
No idea, I suspect they'll have to soon.
With a connection to GG .. I think AOL (I mean Asia Online(ICONZ)) is the only people you have to go internationally to get to. (Anoying). I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
There are private peering links for ihug to netgate and tsnz to netgate (I think) right now. Not sure about Clear to Netgate.
I had a feeling Telstra Saturn dropped theirs, but I might be wrong.
GG/TS still have a peer between them still at APE 1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 4 msec 8 msec 8 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 44 msec 44 msec 36 msec 4 fa0-0.ape1.sky.tsnz.net (203.98.21.24) [AS 4763] 52 msec 44 msec 44 msec 5 qsi1.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.28) 40 msec 36 msec 44 msec Thanks Craig Whitmore --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Craig Whitmore wrote:
GG/TS still have a peer between them still at APE
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 4 msec 8 msec 8 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 44 msec 44 msec 36 msec 4 fa0-0.ape1.sky.tsnz.net (203.98.21.24) [AS 4763] 52 msec 44 msec 44 msec 5 qsi1.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.28) 40 msec 36 msec 44 msec
<obtuse> do we? </obtuse> You're making this assumption based on the word "ape" in the last 2 hops? With the magic of the DNS I can make it go through Yap [which sounds like an interesting place for a holiday] but that won't change how we connect with Global Gateway. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I'm sorry if I was wrong.. Before GG/Netgate went up to APE, GG had to go international to get to QSI.. or was I imagining things (or they got the Routing Right) or something completely different.. Sid Jones wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Craig Whitmore wrote:
GG/TS still have a peer between them still at APE
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 4 msec 8 msec 8 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 44 msec 44 msec 36 msec 4 fa0-0.ape1.sky.tsnz.net (203.98.21.24) [AS 4763] 52 msec 44 msec 44 msec 5 qsi1.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.28) 40 msec 36 msec 44 msec
<obtuse> do we? </obtuse>
You're making this assumption based on the word "ape" in the last 2 hops?
With the magic of the DNS I can make it go through Yap [which sounds like an interesting place for a holiday] but that won't change how we connect with Global Gateway.
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Evening all On Thu, 10 May 2001, Craig Whitmore wrote:
Anybody know if GG/Netgate do this?
No idea, I suspect they'll have to soon.
With a connection to GG .. I think AOL (I mean Asia Online(ICONZ)) is the only people you have to go internationally to get to. (Anoying).
Not the only ones (from a Telstra Saturn network in Wellington): pele:~$ /usr/sbin/traceroute www.netgate.net.nz traceroute to ngtweb1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.247.19), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) 0.453 ms 0.478 ms 0.222 ms 2 c8-isl2.netlink.net.nz (203.97.144.1) 0.899 ms 0.946 ms 0.885 ms 3 b1-lqy-isl1.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.154) 1.519 ms 1.120 ms 1.209 ms 4 fa4-0-0.b2.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.21.1) 14.695 ms 12.267 ms 11.752 ms 5 GE0-0-0.nzsx-core2.Auckland.telstra.net (203.98.4.4) 24.894 ms 15.595 ms 12.032 ms 6 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.nzsx-core1.Auckland.telstra.net (203.50.126.57) 15.976 ms 20.781 ms 20.901 ms 7 Pos2-1.pad-core3.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.126.49) 56.994 ms 42.575 ms 49.196 ms 8 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad13.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.234) 44.623 ms 42.699 ms 48.125 ms 9 connect2.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.32.6) 180.479 ms 227.034 ms 238.898 ms 10 atm0-1-0-1.bdr1.hay.connect.com.au (210.8.219.238) 50.099 ms 49.750 ms 50.622 ms 11 f4-0-0-2.sybr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.113) 43.220 ms 44.442 ms 49.194 ms 12 a10-0-0-6.akbr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.81) 76.195 ms 71.575 ms 72.831 ms 13 f0-0.akcr5.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.88) 50.707 ms 56.529 ms 46.315 ms 14 * * *
I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
Depends who you talk to, I suspect. Last I spoke to AOL, they were dead keen to peer with any and everybody on APE and WIX. AOL weren't keen to pay Netgate/GG for the privilege of doing it for them, when AOL felt they could reach everywhere else on the local Internet without GG's help. (stop me if I've got the arguement wrong, Tony :-). Ask yourself why the only ISP's peering with GG are paying (via dedicated circuits, independant of the major exchanges) to do so, consider what it would do for GG's income if it had to peer with all those ISP's at the neutral peering points, and I think it will become blindlingly obvious why Netgate/GG doesn't want to chuck it's toys into the new sandpits. Cheers si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
pele:~$ /usr/sbin/traceroute www.netgate.net.nz traceroute to ngtweb1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.247.19), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) 0.453 ms 0.478 ms 0.222 ms 2 c8-isl2.netlink.net.nz (203.97.144.1) 0.899 ms 0.946 ms 0.885 ms 3 b1-lqy-isl1.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.154) 1.519 ms 1.120 ms 1.209 ms 4 fa4-0-0.b2.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.21.1) 14.695 ms 12.267 ms 11.752 ms 5 GE0-0-0.nzsx-core2.Auckland.telstra.net (203.98.4.4) 24.894 ms 15.595 ms 12.032 ms 6 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.nzsx-core1.Auckland.telstra.net (203.50.126.57) 15.976 ms 20.781 ms 20.901 ms 7 Pos2-1.pad-core3.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.126.49) 56.994 ms 42.575 ms 49.196 ms 8 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad13.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.234) 44.623 ms 42.699 ms 48.125 ms 9 connect2.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.32.6) 180.479 ms 227.034 ms 238.898 ms 10 atm0-1-0-1.bdr1.hay.connect.com.au (210.8.219.238) 50.099 ms 49.750 ms 50.622 ms 11 f4-0-0-2.sybr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.113) 43.220 ms 44.442 ms 49.194 ms 12 a10-0-0-6.akbr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.81) 76.195 ms 71.575 ms 72.831 ms 13 f0-0.akcr5.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.88) 50.707 ms 56.529 ms 46.315 ms
Errr. the way back... (from a NG/GG connected machine) (210.55.12.254) 1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 156 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 40 msec 40 msec 48 msec 4 fa0-1.b1.lqy.wlg.tsnz.net (203.98.21.25) [AS 4763] 60 msec 56 msec 60 msec 5 c8.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.146) [AS 4763] 60 msec 52 msec 52 msec 6 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) [AS 4763] 60 msec 60 msec 52 msec It goes the right way back! (your return trip looks a little strange) (unless I'm going to the wrong place)
14 * * *
I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
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Hmmm maybe GG are just staticly routing prefixes locally at known peering points. While refusing to let anyone else deliver them local traffic without a peering agreement. That would be an interesting stance On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:32:11PM +1200, Craig Whitmore wrote:
Errr. the way back... (from a NG/GG connected machine) (210.55.12.254)
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 156 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 40 msec 40 msec 48 msec 4 fa0-1.b1.lqy.wlg.tsnz.net (203.98.21.25) [AS 4763] 60 msec 56 msec 60 msec 5 c8.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.146) [AS 4763] 60 msec 52 msec 52 msec 6 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) [AS 4763] 60 msec 60 msec 52 msec
It goes the right way back! (your return trip looks a little strange) (unless I'm going to the wrong place)
14 * * *
I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
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What happens if you do a traceroute to 210.55.12.254 from 1 hop after 203.97.231.225?? Also I did another couple of traces (210.55.12.254) I guess TSNZ connects to GG for only a couple of Networks only.. (not all). Anything else has to go internationally via OZ. Note on the 2nd trace it goes internationally to get to ftp.citylink.co.nz and goes internationally via 203.98.4.5 internationally BUT on the 3rd trace if I trace to 203.98.4.5 it straight it goes via National!!!???? Thanks Craig Tracing the route to www.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.226) 1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 48 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 44 msec 44 msec 44 msec 4 fa0-1.b1.lqy.wlg.tsnz.net (203.98.21.25) [AS 4763] 52 msec 56 msec 56 msec 5 c8.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.146) [AS 4763] 52 msec 56 msec 48 msec 6 * * * 7 www.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.226) [AS 4763] 52 msec 48 msec 48 msec Tracing the route to ftp.citylink.co.nz (210.48.103.6) 1 a10-0-0-19.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.69) [AS 4648] 4 msec 20 msec 12 msec 2 a4-1-0-3.sybr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.82) [AS 4648] 28 msec 48 msec 36 msec 3 connect.sybr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.115) [AS 4648] 52 msec 40 msec 68 msec 4 atm0-1-0-27.bdr1.syd.connect.com.au (210.8.219.237) 52 msec 32 msec 36 msec 5 Fddi1-0-0.pad13.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.32.5) 40 msec 44 msec 32 msec 6 GigabitEthernet4-0.pad-core3.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.240) 52 msec 56 msec 56 msec 7 Pos6-0-0.nzsx-core1.Auckland.telstra.net (203.50.126.50) 64 msec 72 msec 72 msec 8 FE0-0.t1.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.4.5) [AS 4763] 112 msec 96 msec 104 msec 9 asiaonline.t1.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.206) [AS 4763] 88 msec 128 msec 140 msec 10 f0-1.gw2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.1.6) 116 msec 116 msec 128 msec 11 f0-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (202.14.100.221) 100 msec 100 msec 116 msec 12 f3-0.core1.wn.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.12.2) 152 msec 120 msec 144 msec 13 f0-0.core3.wn.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.3.252) 152 msec 188 msec 204 msec 14 * * Tracing the route to FE0-0.t1.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.4.5) 1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 48 msec 44 msec 40 msec 4 FE0-0.t1.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.4.5) [AS 4763] 44 msec * 36 msec Dean Pemberton wrote:
Hmmm maybe GG are just staticly routing prefixes locally at known peering points. While refusing to let anyone else deliver them local traffic without a peering agreement.
That would be an interesting stance
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:32:11PM +1200, Craig Whitmore wrote:
Errr. the way back... (from a NG/GG connected machine) (210.55.12.254)
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 156 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 40 msec 40 msec 48 msec 4 fa0-1.b1.lqy.wlg.tsnz.net (203.98.21.25) [AS 4763] 60 msec 56 msec 60 msec 5 c8.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.146) [AS 4763] 60 msec 52 msec 52 msec 6 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) [AS 4763] 60 msec 60 msec 52 msec
It goes the right way back! (your return trip looks a little strange) (unless I'm going to the wrong place)
14 * * *
I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
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traceroute to 210.55.12.254 (210.55.12.254), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) 0.511 ms 0.363 ms 0.395 ms 2 c8-isl2.netlink.net.nz (203.97.144.1) 0.954 ms 1.466 ms 1.042 ms 3 b1-lqy-isl1.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.154) 1.201 ms 1.151 ms 2.110 ms 4 fa4-0-0.b2.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.21.1) 11.451 ms 11.074 ms 11.079 ms 5 telec2.lnk.telstra.net.nz (203.98.4.246) 20.225 ms 20.140 ms 19.946 ms 6 f0-0.akcr5.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.88) 21.552 ms 20.276 ms 20.688 ms 7 orcon-dom.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.66) 23.252 ms * 22.909 ms On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:11:27AM +1200, Craig Whitmore wrote:
What happens if you do a traceroute to 210.55.12.254 from 1 hop after 203.97.231.225??
Also I did another couple of traces (210.55.12.254)
I guess TSNZ connects to GG for only a couple of Networks only.. (not all). Anything else has to go internationally via OZ.
Note on the 2nd trace it goes internationally to get to ftp.citylink.co.nz and goes internationally via 203.98.4.5 internationally BUT on the 3rd trace if I trace to 203.98.4.5 it straight it goes via National!!!????
Thanks Craig
Tracing the route to www.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.226)
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 48 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 44 msec 44 msec 44 msec 4 fa0-1.b1.lqy.wlg.tsnz.net (203.98.21.25) [AS 4763] 52 msec 56 msec 56 msec 5 c8.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.146) [AS 4763] 52 msec 56 msec 48 msec 6 * * * 7 www.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.226) [AS 4763] 52 msec 48 msec 48 msec
Tracing the route to ftp.citylink.co.nz (210.48.103.6)
1 a10-0-0-19.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.69) [AS 4648] 4 msec 20 msec 12 msec 2 a4-1-0-3.sybr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.82) [AS 4648] 28 msec 48 msec 36 msec 3 connect.sybr1.netgate.net.nz (202.50.116.115) [AS 4648] 52 msec 40 msec 68 msec 4 atm0-1-0-27.bdr1.syd.connect.com.au (210.8.219.237) 52 msec 32 msec 36 msec 5 Fddi1-0-0.pad13.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.32.5) 40 msec 44 msec 32 msec 6 GigabitEthernet4-0.pad-core3.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.240) 52 msec 56 msec 56 msec 7 Pos6-0-0.nzsx-core1.Auckland.telstra.net (203.50.126.50) 64 msec 72 msec 72 msec 8 FE0-0.t1.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.4.5) [AS 4763] 112 msec 96 msec 104 msec 9 asiaonline.t1.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.206) [AS 4763] 88 msec 128 msec 140 msec 10 f0-1.gw2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.1.6) 116 msec 116 msec 128 msec 11 f0-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (202.14.100.221) 100 msec 100 msec 116 msec 12 f3-0.core1.wn.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.12.2) 152 msec 120 msec 144 msec 13 f0-0.core3.wn.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.3.252) 152 msec 188 msec 204 msec 14 * *
Tracing the route to FE0-0.t1.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.4.5)
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 48 msec 44 msec 40 msec 4 FE0-0.t1.sxb.akl.tsnz.net (203.98.4.5) [AS 4763] 44 msec * 36 msec
Dean Pemberton wrote:
Hmmm maybe GG are just staticly routing prefixes locally at known peering points. While refusing to let anyone else deliver them local traffic without a peering agreement.
That would be an interesting stance
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:32:11PM +1200, Craig Whitmore wrote:
Errr. the way back... (from a NG/GG connected machine) (210.55.12.254)
1 a5-0-0-12.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.65) [AS 4648] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 f4-0.akcr1.netgate.net.nz (202.37.246.82) [AS 4648] 156 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 S6-2.b2.sxb.tsnz.net (203.98.4.245) [AS 4763] 40 msec 40 msec 48 msec 4 fa0-1.b1.lqy.wlg.tsnz.net (203.98.21.25) [AS 4763] 60 msec 56 msec 60 msec 5 c8.wlg.tsnz.net (203.97.132.146) [AS 4763] 60 msec 52 msec 52 msec 6 rufer.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.225) [AS 4763] 60 msec 60 msec 52 msec
It goes the right way back! (your return trip looks a little strange) (unless I'm going to the wrong place)
14 * * *
I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
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On Thu, 10 May 2001, Craig Whitmore wrote:
It goes the right way back! (your return trip looks a little strange) (unless I'm going to the wrong place)
Sure. All you've successfully proved there is that TSNZ send a bunch of routes that probably matches their national route table to Netgate, but Netgate send only a limited subset of their national route table back. Why this happens is left as an exercise for the reader :-). Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
This is correct we ( I no longer work for Asia Online btw ) decided it was unacceptable that we should have to pay Telecom for connectivity ( it is not peering if you are paying for it ) on dedicated connections when we were both ( AONZ and Netgate ) connected to the agreed peering points ( especially as they were no longer AONZ's upstream provider ). 75% of the traffic passing to Netgate was outgoing, so in effect we were largely paying Telecom to deliver traffic to their customers. Telecom never actually said they would not peer, they just avoided the question for over a year ( and sighted vague "legal issues" that they never expanded on ) I think everyone here would know Alan Mitford-Taylors "I'll check that out and get back to you" line. Now it turn's out that not only are they connected at APE but they are actually passing traffic somewhere ! This confirms that Telecom is deliberately giving its downstream customers a lower level of service than its own ISP ( remember Xtra is peered on WIX and APE without any issues at all )
I have no idea why AO don't/won't peer with GG but I shant ask.
Depends who you talk to, I suspect. Last I spoke to AOL, they were dead keen to peer with any and everybody on APE and WIX. AOL weren't keen to pay Netgate/GG for the privilege of doing it for them, when AOL felt they could reach everywhere else on the local Internet without GG's help. (stop me if I've got the arguement wrong, Tony :-). Ask yourself why the only ISP's peering with GG are paying (via dedicated circuits, independant of the major exchanges) to do so, consider what it would do for GG's income if it had to peer with all those ISP's at the neutral peering points, and I think it will become blindlingly obvious why Netgate/GG doesn't want to chuck it's toys into the new sandpits. Cheers si - --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 07:11 11/05/2001, Tony Wicks wrote:
Telecom to deliver traffic to their customers. Telecom never actually said they would not peer, they just avoided the question for over a year ( and sighted vague "legal issues" that they never expanded on ) I think everyone here would know Alan Mitford-Taylors "I'll check that out and get back to you" line. Now it turn's out that not only are they connected at APE but they are actually passing traffic somewhere ! This confirms that Telecom is deliberately giving its downstream customers a lower level of service than its own ISP ( remember Xtra is peered on WIX and APE without any issues at all )
Xtra does not peer with NetGate. They're an upstream of ours. -- Ted Grenfell Xtra ISP Performance Manager Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 362 8100 Level 13, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Telecom to deliver traffic to their customers. Telecom never actually said they would not peer, they just avoided the question for over a year ( and sighted vague "legal issues" that they never expanded on ) I think everyone here would know Alan Mitford-Taylors "I'll check that out and get back to you" line. Now it turn's out that not only are they connected at APE but they are actually passing traffic somewhere ! This confirms that Telecom is deliberately giving its downstream customers a lower level of service than its own ISP ( remember Xtra is peered on WIX and APE without any issues at all )
Xtra does not peer with NetGate. They're an upstream of ours.
That's a fairly fine line your walking there. Careful you dont trip. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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Simon Lyall -
Ted Grenfell -
Tony Wicks