"Matt Camp"
08/01/01 08:55 >>>
I'd like to ask that this list is immediatly changed to drop non-member submissions, and that Joe and Jeff are removed.
There is off topic conversation, and then there is pointless, induced,
drivel.
NZNOG People, I'm not willing to get involved in a process of deciding for myself that one poster's five postings are cause for blocking, and someone else's are not. And the balance of the (admittedly small) number of emails I got on the subject last month was against restricting postings. On the other hand, I'm not at all happy with this list's s/n ratio. I have this morning sent to a number of posters requests not to send further inappropriate postings to this list. If these result in much improved behaviour, well and good. If not, I plan to move to a practice familiar to followers of cricket. Friendly warnings for misbehaviour may be given. Formal warnings follow. Too many formal warnings and you are asked to retire from the match. And yes, that would mean a move to restricting postings to addresses previously supplied, if not necessarily subscribed. Comments on that plan to the list, please. If it seems to me necessary to implement it I plan to put it to a vote as a set of additions to the AUP. When that might happen depends on postings. - Donald Neal List Administrator -- Donald Neal Mobility & Calling Platforms Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:07:29AM +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
I have this morning sent to a number of posters requests not to send further inappropriate postings to this list. If these result in much improved behaviour, well and good. If not, I plan to move to a practice familiar to followers of cricket. Friendly warnings for misbehaviour may be given. Formal warnings follow. Too many formal warnings and you are asked to retire from the match. And yes, that would mean a move to restricting postings to addresses previously supplied, if not necessarily subscribed.
Comments on that plan to the list, please.
Sounds like a good plan to me. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Joe Abley wrote:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:07:29AM +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
I have this morning sent to a number of posters requests not to send further inappropriate postings to this list. If these result in much improved behaviour, well and good. If not, I plan to move to a practice familiar to followers of cricket. Friendly warnings for misbehaviour may be given. Formal warnings follow. Too many formal warnings and you are asked to retire from the match. And yes, that would mean a move to restricting postings to addresses previously supplied, if not necessarily subscribed.
Comments on that plan to the list, please.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
as far as i'm concerned it's about time. i've seen to many irrelevant posting here which are nothing more then ego trips. I expect a conference on technical discussion to remain technical - and not some excuse to conduct a soap opera. the list administrator should be more active in keeping the discussion topical. I've seen the Jeff Williams discussions in the past and they have a tendency of cascading. And Jeff Williams is rarely the reason why they cascade - it is usually those people who speak badly of him who are the primary offenders. a word of advice to the offenders - if you want to slime someone - do it in private - you'll get more milage out of that plan of attack. regards joe baptista -- Joe Baptista The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Joe, Donald and all, A good idea as long as it is applied on a level basis... Joe Abley wrote:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:07:29AM +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
I have this morning sent to a number of posters requests not to send further inappropriate postings to this list. If these result in much improved behaviour, well and good. If not, I plan to move to a practice familiar to followers of cricket. Friendly warnings for misbehaviour may be given. Formal warnings follow. Too many formal warnings and you are asked to retire from the match. And yes, that would mean a move to restricting postings to addresses previously supplied, if not necessarily subscribed.
Comments on that plan to the list, please.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Donald Neal wrote: [details of plan snipped]
Comments on that plan to the list, please. If it seems to me necessary to implement it I plan to put it to a vote as a set of additions to the AUP. When that might happen depends on postings.
Sounds like an excellent idea.
--
Alasdair Muckart
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:07 +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
Comments on that plan to the list, please. If it seems to me necessary to implement it I plan to put it to a vote as a set of additions to the AUP. When that might happen depends on postings.
I would rather make my own arrangements to filter material from the list, and would appreciate assistance with a procmail recipe template to remove such postings. My feeling is that /ignore is a better tool than /ban and as soon as attention stops being paid to these individuals and there is little or no reward they will move on. Granting some kind of "victory" by closing the list seems to me to be positive reinforcement, and with our addresses seemingly already available (the test message I received for instance, and the archive(s)) closing the list may be a barn door exercise, particularly if we erect an exciting challenge. Finally there are those vast majority who have caused no problem who will be, albeit minorly, inconvenienced in the closure approach to the behavioural problems of a microscopic minority.
- Donald Neal List Administrator
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Hamish MacEwan wrote:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:07 +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
Comments on that plan to the list, please. If it seems to me necessary to implement it I plan to put it to a vote as a set of additions to the AUP. When that might happen depends on postings.
I would rather make my own arrangements to filter material from the list, and would appreciate assistance with a procmail recipe template to remove such postings.
unfortunately the act of filtering does not solve the problem. i know this well and so does jeff. example - you filter me out - or jeff - or whomever it may be you choose to filter - then some third party begins the drivel about jeff williams. well - you end up on the receiving end of the drivil from the third parties. in most cases filtering ends up causing confusion. you would essentially have to filter out everyone who is speaking about jeff williams - and that in my opinion is counter productive. i am all for the list administrator managing discussions with a heavy hand and nipping the problem early before it gets out of hand. a list like this is easy to manage. it is for technical discussions - yada yada yada. as soon as it slips into personality - bingo you have a problem. unfortunately the list administrator ends up with extra work - but the list benefits by remaining topical. another major consideration is the list archives. if the list administrator does not make every effort to keep the list topical, the archives end up suffering. you get volumns of junk mixed in with topical material - and that turns people off when they visit. so these are my reason why i think a heavy hand is needed here from time to time. 1) the historical integrety of the nznog archives - and 2) real time conversations on topical issues. regards joe -- Joe Baptista http://www.dot-god.com/ The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 09:55:06AM +1200, Hamish MacEwan wrote:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:07 +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
Comments on that plan to the list, please. If it seems to me necessary to implement it I plan to put it to a vote as a set of additions to the AUP. When that might happen depends on postings.
I would rather make my own arrangements to filter material from the list, and would appreciate assistance with a procmail recipe template to remove such postings.
:0 * ^From:.*baptista(a)pccf.net /dev/null :0 * ^From:.*jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com /dev/null Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:0 * ^From:.*baptista(a)pccf.net /dev/null
:0 * ^From:.*jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com /dev/null
Might want to make a little change. This way you don't see peoples replys to their comments. Wipe their existance out for good. :0 * (^Cc|^From|^To):.*baptista(a)pccf.net /dev/null :0 * (^Cc|^From|^To):.*jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com /dev/null Simon Allard (Senior Tool Monkey) IHUG Ph (09) 358-5067 Email: simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz "There is no spoon" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
your proposal for filtering will still suffer from the problems I mentioned earler. you need to actually filter the message body itself - not just the header information in order for the filter to work appropriately. In my case - filtering anything with the word baptista - both header and message body will work. because baptista is a unique name. However if you filter the message body in jeff williams case - you'll have less then spectacular results. anytime someone mentions the common english name williams the message will be dumped. as i said before - the results are confusion. regards joe On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Simon Allard wrote:
:0 * ^From:.*baptista(a)pccf.net /dev/null
:0 * ^From:.*jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com /dev/null
Might want to make a little change. This way you don't see peoples replys to their comments. Wipe their existance out for good.
:0 * (^Cc|^From|^To):.*baptista(a)pccf.net /dev/null
:0 * (^Cc|^From|^To):.*jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com /dev/null
Simon Allard (Senior Tool Monkey) IHUG Ph (09) 358-5067 Email: simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz
"There is no spoon"
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 07:32:02PM -0400, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: In my case - filtering anything with the word baptista - both header and message body will work. because baptista is a unique name. However if you filter the message body in jeff williams case - you'll have less then spectacular results. anytime someone mentions the common english name williams the message will be dumped. as i said before - the results are confusion. :0 * bapista /dev/null :0B * baptista /dev/null --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:29 +1200, Simon Allard wrote:
Might want to make a little change. This way you don't see peoples replys to their comments. Wipe their existance out for good.
Thanks both you and Joe for the help. There. Now they've completly vanished.
Simon Allard (Senior Tool Monkey)
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Donald Neal wrote:
familiar to followers of cricket. Friendly warnings for misbehaviour may be given. Formal warnings follow. Too many formal warnings and you are asked to retire from the match. And yes, that would mean a move to restricting postings to addresses previously supplied, if not necessarily subscribed.
Comments on that plan to the list, please.
An excellent plan. JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Good idea. Gordon Smith Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd. Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Donald Neal wrote:
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I have this morning sent to a number of posters requests not to send further inappropriate postings to this list. If these result in much improved behaviour, well and good. If not, I plan to move to a practice familiar to followers of cricket. Friendly warnings for misbehaviour may be given. Formal warnings follow. Too many formal warnings and you are asked to retire from the match. And yes, that would mean a move to restricting postings to addresses previously supplied, if not necessarily subscribed.
Comments on that plan to the list, please. If it seems to me necessary to implement it I plan to put it to a vote as a set of additions to the AUP. When that might happen depends on postings.
- Donald Neal List Administrator
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participants (10)
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!Dr. Joe Baptista
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Alasdair Muckart
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Chris Wedgwood
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Donald Neal
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Gordon Smith
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Hamish MacEwan
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J S Russell
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Jeff Williams
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Joe Abley
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Simon Allard