It's seems to be fairly new, so people might want to have a look especially the people from AS 4768 . Just goto http://www.netscan.org/ and put your ASN in the box. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Just a heads up to anybody providing name service for zones that has MX resource records pointing at either of mail.es.co.nz or zuul.ihug.co.nz The first no longer accepts smtp mail, and the second is due to be removed soon. A NOC person at IHUG advises mailers outside their network should deliver messages to smtp.ihug.co.nz Apparently all zone soas should be reading the IHUG MOTD to stay up with these changes <sheesh> p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to somebody who had never heard of 2day.com and was more interested in finding out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Stop the press! The MX record for all domain names that ihug host (except for smtp dequeing) should be zuul.ihug.co.nz. There is no intention to change this. smtp.ihug.co.nz is for outgoing mail only (for our dialup customer). Changing domain names to point to this as an MX record would be really bad, as that would create relaying denied error messages if the mail did not originate from the ihug network, and would cause the mail to be undelivered in any case (as it would never reach our incoming mail servers, aka zuul.ihug.co.nz) If someone is hosting a domain name with mail.es.co.nz as the MX record, please email me, and I will discuss this with you. If you are hosting a domain name with zuul.ihug.co.nz as the MX record, DO NOT CHANGE IT. If anyone has any other queries regarding domain names hosted with ihug, or about MX records that point to ihug servers, please email me. If in doubt, email me :) -- -- ihug dns administrator On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
Just a heads up to anybody providing name service for zones that has MX resource records pointing at either of mail.es.co.nz or zuul.ihug.co.nz
The first no longer accepts smtp mail, and the second is due to be removed soon. A NOC person at IHUG advises mailers outside their network should deliver messages to smtp.ihug.co.nz
Apparently all zone soas should be reading the IHUG MOTD to stay up with these changes
<sheesh>
p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to somebody who had never heard of 2day.com and was more interested in finding out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world.
Regards
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Stop the press! The MX record for all domain names that ihug host (except for smtp dequeing) should be zuul.ihug.co.nz. There is no intention to change this.
Now thats a different story to the one I was told. Makes more sense however.
If anyone has any other queries regarding domain names hosted with ihug, or about MX records that point to ihug servers, please email me. If in doubt, email me :)
-- ihug dns administrator
Who are you, do you have a name, or are we not allowed to know what it is? Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
Stop the press! The MX record for all domain names that ihug host (except for smtp dequeing) should be zuul.ihug.co.nz. There is no intention to change this.
Now thats a different story to the one I was told. Makes more sense however.
If anyone has any other queries regarding domain names hosted with ihug, or about MX records that point to ihug servers, please email me. If in doubt, email me :)
-- ihug dns administrator
Who are you, do you have a name, or are we not allowed to know what it is?
Hell no. That's Mr. Administrator to you. Mr. I. D. Administrator. :-) <R>< --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to somebody who had never heard of 2day.com
The guy on duty can't be expected to have heard of every little ISP in the country, especially those that we don't exchange money with or peer with.
and was more interested in finding out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world.
People are NOT supposed to be put through to the NOC without announcing them and without at least trying to work out what their problem is first. People can ring our NOC number in emergancies (ie our filters have gone bad and a full routing table is melting your router) but I think the duty NOC guy thought you were some customer who had bluffed his way through the helpdesk. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to somebody who had never heard of 2day.com
The guy on duty can't be expected to have heard of every little ISP in the country, especially those that we don't exchange money with or peer with.
Given the size of the New Zealand market and the fact that we manage more zones than IHUG, not to mention our visibility in the market, I think this is a little rich.
and was more interested in finding out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world.
People are NOT supposed to be put through to the NOC without announcing them and without at least trying to work out what their problem is first.
I am not people. I am not even a poor IHUG customer. I am a fellow ISP expecting a little cooperation and respect. My motive was to get a mutual customer back on the air.
People can ring our NOC number in emergancies (ie our filters have gone bad and a full routing table is melting your router) but I think the duty NOC guy thought you were some customer who had bluffed his way through the helpdesk.
He may well have, but I made myself very clear about who I was. There is a world beyond IHUG. Suggest you lot open your eyes. Not everybody is the enemy in your war. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to somebody who had never heard of 2day.com
The guy on duty can't be expected to have heard of every little ISP in the country, especially those that we don't exchange money with or peer with.
Given the size of the New Zealand market and the fact that we manage more zones than IHUG, not to mention our visibility in the market, I think this is a little rich.
Well I've heard of you obviously and most other people have here. But like I said not everybody has heard of every ISP. The guy who took your call tends to stick to his job and studies rather than geeking around and reading the industry news. Please don't expect people to all have heard of you, I've delt with someone who didn't know where Australia was and we had another person (same company) who needed "Internet" spelt out for them.
and was more interested in finding out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world.
People are NOT supposed to be put through to the NOC without announcing them and without at least trying to work out what their problem is first.
I am not people. I am not even a poor IHUG customer. I am a fellow ISP expecting a little cooperation and respect. My motive was to get a mutual customer back on the air.
If you had contacted the Helpdesk or Business Helpdesk or Postmaster or SOA then you would have got someone in a better position to help that the Duty NOC person. I have talked to him and it appears he was in the middle of 3 other things and didn't quite grasp who you were and the whole situation.
People can ring our NOC number in emergancies (ie our filters have gone bad and a full routing table is melting your router) but I think the duty NOC guy thought you were some customer who had bluffed his way through the helpdesk.
He may well have, but I made myself very clear about who I was. There is a world beyond IHUG. Suggest you lot open your eyes. Not everybody is the enemy in your war.
Thats a low blow Peter, The ihug Engineering and other technical Depts make a point of working with other ISPs to keep everything smoothly running as much as possible. Please accept my apologies over the confusion here. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Excuse the interruption ... If Hamish at ICONZ (or any other clueful ICONZ trooper) is lurking here, can you please ring me on 09 489 6665 ext 32 urgently. WE cant reach you via telephone and are unable to send any email to the iconz.co.nz domain due to a possible filtering problem at Netgate. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote:
The guy on duty can't be expected to have heard of every little ISP in the country, especially those that we don't exchange money with or peer with.
Given the size of the New Zealand market and the fact that we manage more zones than IHUG, not to mention our visibility in the market, I think this is a little rich.
Simon was, I suspect, yanking your chain. :) Enhance your calm, citizen.
I am not people. I am not even a poor IHUG customer. I am a fellow ISP expecting a little cooperation and respect. My motive was to get a mutual customer back on the air.
John Russell. IHUG Engineering Manager. (021) 675-003 avail 24x7. If it's IHUG-y, and it's IP engineering-y, and it's broken, I can help. Especially if the NOC is not proving useful. I am hereby trusting you (and the rest of nznog) to be clueful enough not to call me at 0400 hours because latency is high between your customers and the IHUG gaming servers, or because we don't have the latest linux kernel version on our ftp mirror. JSR -- John S Russell IP Engineering Manager IHUG International --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 11:04 8/11/00, J S Russell wrote:
John Russell. IHUG Engineering Manager. (021) 675-003 avail 24x7. If it's IHUG-y, and it's IP engineering-y, and it's broken, I can help. Especially if the NOC is not proving useful.
I am hereby trusting you (and the rest of nznog) to be clueful enough not to call me at 0400 hours because latency is high between your customers and the IHUG gaming servers, or because we don't have the latest linux kernel version on our ftp mirror.
A long time ago, when I was still in Dunedin, I recall someone (may have been Bart Kindt - ESNet) trying to organise a master list of NZ technical escalation points for times of network disaster or other such emergency. Does anyone remember what became of that list? -- Ted Grenfell Xtra ISP Performance Manager Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 Level 13, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
A long time ago, when I was still in Dunedin, I recall someone (may have been Bart Kindt - ESNet) trying to organise a master list of NZ technical escalation points for times of network disaster or other such emergency.
Does anyone remember what became of that list?
No idea, but I do know that jabley attempted to organise a similar one last year. Where he got with it, I've no idea. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
%-> > Does anyone remember what became of that list? %-> %-> No idea, but I do know that jabley attempted to organise a similar one %-> last year. Where he got with it, I've no idea. Rumour has it that he sold the list to that infamous Canadian spammer, Mr Moose. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Ted Grenfell wrote:
A long time ago, when I was still in Dunedin, I recall someone (may have been Bart Kindt - ESNet) trying to organise a master list of NZ technical escalation points for times of network disaster or other such emergency.
I asked about that around a year ago, an nobody seemed to be bothered. Use the one at http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I asked about that around a year ago, an nobody seemed to be bothered.
One of the reasons is probably due to the fact at an IP level, people know how to get assistance from each other, and hey this list is just great for getting routing issues resolved. But many of the problems we experience are at another layer, dns mail web etc. None of us here have the time or enthusiasm to wait for the standard 1/2 hour so so to get an answer on a help desk and then try to get the person to stop demanding our ISP account number and what version of windows we are running. Maybe each ISP needs to appoint a technical advocate that can be the contact point for other ISP's. The advocate can then run around with some internal knowledge and find the person responsible for solving the problem, whilst making sure the issue gets resolved. The crazy thing is we are usually trying to help a customer of a major ISP who has not been able to get sense out of their help desk. It is a fact of life that customers will choose multiple providers to do business. We all benefit when we find a way of working together to solve problems. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:04:45AM +1300, J S Russell wrote:
John Russell. IHUG Engineering Manager. (021) 675-003 avail 24x7. If it's IHUG-y, and it's IP engineering-y, and it's broken, I can help. Especially if the NOC is not proving useful.
I am hereby trusting you (and the rest of nznog)
and anybody else in the future who types "ihug engineering help noc" into google :) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:04 +1300, J S Russell wrote:
Enhance your calm, citizen.
"Demolition Man," I'd hate to let a reference go unacknowleged. Hamish. -- The mind cannot long act the role of the heart. -- Francois de la Rochefoucauld --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
participants (10)
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Hamish MacEwan -
IHUG DNS Admin -
J S Russell -
Joe Abley -
Juha Saarinen -
Peter Mott -
Rob Isaac -
Simon Blake -
Simon Lyall -
Ted Grenfell