Long story there, sadly, we are not allowed to comment much - suffice to say that things are looking pretty grim on this side of the fence. press releases to follow etc etc.. blah blah blah, legalese crap and stuph. Pitty the job markets pretty much dried up over here :-) -- Steve. At 18:52 25/10/01 +1300, Craig Whitmore wrote:

I remember the days at the Cave......

Thanks Craig Whitmore (Still has his business cards saying "Technical Manager - The Internet Company of New Zealand")

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Craig Whitmore wrote:

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Hi.. I just saw something on Aardvark (http://www.aardvark.co.nz) about AsiaOnline. Is this true, or just a unfounded rumour?

More details at www.idg.co.nz.

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Juha

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Hey people, We at Asia Online would like for people out there (you all know who you are) to please hang off on spamming our customers until such time as we are declared legally dead. We are not entirely out of the game as yet, and if we find that trading cannot continue at all then notification will be sent and the customer base could potentially be considered fair game. Attempts to pull our client base from us currently will result in peoples netblocks being blacklisted - basicly, we have nothing to loose here and are a little busy to respond to customers complaining about you lot out there (again, you know who you are) spamming them. for those that this e-mail does not affect or pertain to, I appologise :-) -- Steve Systems Admin, Asia Online (NZ) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

At 1:13 PM -0400 26/10/01, Joe Abley wrote:

On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 02:01:58PM +1300, Steve Phillips wrote:

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Attempts to pull our client base from us currently will result in peoples netblocks being blacklisted

Sounds like a reasonable way to encourage the customers to leave.

Commonly known as a "knee-jerk" reaction I believe. The vultures wouldn't be the losers. What is probably a better idea would be to expose the vultures in the media. If I found out MY ISP would sink that low, I'd be shopping around for an ISP with better business ethics.*** *** This, of course, precludes Telecom/Xtra. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Before anyone picks on Steves 'knee jerk' too much, Ive also seen the spam message, second hand from a friend of mine whos company is a client of ICONZ.... I also know who the source is, and Id like to say that its just plain *rude*.... I dont blame Steve for his reaction *at all*. Im sure that a fair number of AOL's customers wouldnt complain about this particular blacklist, since im fairly sure most of their customers arent exactly saying 'gee thanks for this most useful advertisement'.... I know AOL have contingency plans in place should everything fall over, and I know they wouldnt just 'switch off' - their clients will have the choice, and some time to do it in. As opposed to having one particular solution thrust under their noses. Unsolicited Commercial Emailing coming from one of our group, who do our best to discourage it? *That* sucks the big one. My 2c. I agree with Rogers comment entirely. Mark. At 11:27 26/10/2001 -0600, Andy Gardner wrote:

At 1:13 PM -0400 26/10/01, Joe Abley wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 02:01:58PM +1300, Steve Phillips wrote:

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Attempts to pull our client base from us currently will result in peoples netblocks being blacklisted

Sounds like a reasonable way to encourage the customers to leave.

Commonly known as a "knee-jerk" reaction I believe.

The vultures wouldn't be the losers.

What is probably a better idea would be to expose the vultures in the media. If I found out MY ISP would sink that low, I'd be shopping around for an ISP with better business ethics.***

*** This, of course, precludes Telecom/Xtra.

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Joe Abley wrote:

What is "one of our group"?

The nasty buncha spammers that hang out in NZNOG, of course. -- Regards, Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Andy Gardner wrote:

What's all the secrecy about? Let's have it out - who did it?

Hear hear. If it was the marketing dept at Callplus/Attica, I shall close their accounts, as per our T and C. JSR -- John S Russell | Smile Operations Manager | Nod Attica/Callplus NZ | Build it. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Mark Foster wrote:

My personal feeling is that ORBS was a pain in the ass, and didnt appear to do much other than list mail servers when it didnt need to... (having had to fight to get a couple of mail servers removed in the past). Again, my personal opinion and based only on my personal experience with it.

Where Alan went seriously wrong with it, INHO, was the very instant that he started including servers in the database for reasons other then being open relays. The first time he listed someone in ORBS for personal reasons ("Cartoony threats against ORBS", etc) it became an arbitrary thing, and lost all credibility. JSR -- John S Russell | Smile Operations Manager | Nod Attica/Callplus NZ | Build it. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog