Hiya. Thanx for the detailed reply, what you say makes much more sense. Interesting that Telecom don't send framed-ip, that'd be annoying. Are they still using the merit Radius code? But it's probably their NAS that is sending the Start prior to the ipcp negotiating IP Addr. Bugger. Then there is the issue of running servers etc, as you point out, I don't want to start that flame war again, and I don't want to run internet reachable SMTP servers @ home either. The previous discussions on this make several points, some of which are: 1) POP3, and in particular multi-drop POP mailboxes are problematic, and 2) running SMTP servers (even if legal) is problematic over intermittant/dialup/dynamic connections. Unfortunately there's nothing in-between, and something in-between is entirely valid for 'power' home users. And to make it worse, Paradise don't have a consistent, unique mail header to really make multi-drop pop mailboxes work. This is well within what paradise can do, and despite asking this particular question several times, they just don't seem to provide that facility. Oh to find a better solution, ODMR isn't. As someone pointed out, maybe UUCP? Cheers-

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Goldfinch [mailto:mark.goldfinch(a)team.telstraclear.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 11:52 p.m. To: Steve Lang Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Any isps support ODMR - RFC2645?

On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Steve Lang wrote:

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Yes, I Emailed postmaster(a)paradise.net.nz. To quote:

"It's basically due to our DSMTP authentication being based around our dial-in RADIUS, and not our ADSL RADIUS. Given the choice between the two options, we decided to provision DSMTP for dial-in as it is recognised as more of a stop-gap method of mail delivery somewhere in between POP and a dedicated mail server." etc. And a statement to the fact that you're not meant to run servers behind Jetstart connections etc.

While this isn't quite correct the end result is the same.

The technical reason why this cannot happen is because our dsmtp radius processing is only interested in Start and Stop accounting records.

An example Jet* radius accounting record:

Mon Oct 14 19:49:11 2002 User-Name = "someusername" NAS-Identifier = "GLF_RAN_01" Service-Type = Framed-User Framed-Protocol = PPP NAS-Port = 540475748 Acct-Session-Id = "20370164-3DAA68E6" Acct-Authentic = RADIUS Acct-Status-Type = Start User-Id = "someusername" User-Realm = "paradise.net.nz" Proxy-State = 0 Proxy-State = 0 Timestamp = 1034578151

you may note that there is a distinctive lack of Framed-IP-Address field present in this record. This is well known for Telecom's Jet* infrastructure and has been noted in this forum beforehand. Framed-IP-Address fields are present in the (approximately) 30 second post connection and then hourly Alive records as well as Stop records.

Now it is true that it would be somewhat simple to make Alive records be treated in (almost) an identical fashion as Start records in this case, but I really must question whether it is in our best interests to do so. TelstraClear (or one of its legacy companies) will have signed an agreement with Telecom surrounding the conditions and services which we will offer JetStart to our customers. If we should be penalised the implications for us would be somewhat larger than most other ISPs (other than perhaps Xtra).

Unfortunately if Telecom does not want business customers (or services deemed to be of business grade) present on JetStart they probably have the means to make us (and in turn our customers) very unhappy.

Now of course I could be very wrong and Telecom could have had a recent change of heart and are these days more than happy for us to hookup businesses via JetStart. Please I would be more than happy to be proved wrong.

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Short of ringing them up, and demanding to speak to someone else, which I don't have time to do, what options are there? I know, move my business somewhere else?

Good luck in finding a solution, yes it somewhat sucks that broadband options are somewhat limited in this country, but it isn't just the customer's who have few options.

And on that note this thread is now probably heading quite off-topic.

Best Regards,

--- Mark Goldfinch Senior Systems Administrator TelstraClear Ltd

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