GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU
Hey all, We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account - which means they paid Australian GST. We shipping it to NZ via TNT. What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST? When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here. Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country? Soooo confusing. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there? Disclaimer: Limits of Liability and Disclaimer: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain sensitive and private proprietary or legally privileged information. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. eintellego Pty Ltd and each legal entity in the Tefilah Pty Ltd group of companies reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. Any reference to costs, fee quotations, contractual transactions and variations to contract terms is subject to separate confirmation in writing signed by an authorised representative of eintellego. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, we cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or compatible with your systems and do not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced.
On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account -- which means they paid Australian GST.
We shipping it to NZ via TNT.
What I am wondering is -- when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST?
When I buy things from say -- Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here.
Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country?
Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there. -- Juha
Also, if you want to be 100% certain, you have quite possibly chosen th wrong list to post your question to as this isn't really an operational issue. -- Steve. Juha Saarinen wrote:
On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account – which means they paid Australian GST.
We shipping it to NZ via TNT.
What I am wondering is – when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST?
When I buy things from say – Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here.
Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country?
Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there.
-- Juha
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Sorry Steve... but while at the fringe of relevancy, we have operators dealing in both countries, like Vocus and others who are frequently moving equipment, parts and so on back and forwards, so the knowledge is useful. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there?
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog- bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Phillips Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 3:23 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU
Also, if you want to be 100% certain, you have quite possibly chosen th wrong list to post your question to as this isn't really an operational issue.
-- Steve.
On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank
account
- which means they paid Australian GST.
We shipping it to NZ via TNT.
What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST?
When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here.
Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country?
Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there.
-- Juha
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 And on the question at hand, I would advise against trusting advice from anyone other than an accountant or the IRD. In writing. It's actually quite a technical question, relating to services provided electronically, and relying on advice that you get from NZNOG would be very risky. It is, after all, a matter that involves the most powerful arm of the Crown - the tax man. On 11/19/09 17:54, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Sorry Steve... but while at the fringe of relevancy, we have operators dealing in both countries, like Vocus and others who are frequently moving equipment, parts and so on back and forwards, so the knowledge is useful.
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So in light of that, my reply directly to Sean might be OK for general consumption: I know about the reverse - under New Zealand law it's where the Service is provided, so if you are providing a Service within New Zealand then yes you charge GST no matter where the customer is - this was the advice we received for running the NZNOG conference, as the conference is a Service and not Goods (attempting desperately here to somehow get this on-topic for the list...). Goods are different, exported Goods are not liable for GST. Gerard On 19/11/2009 5:54 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Sorry Steve... but while at the fringe of relevancy, we have operators dealing in both countries, like Vocus and others who are frequently moving equipment, parts and so on back and forwards, so the knowledge is useful.
...Skeeve
-- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there?
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog- bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Phillips Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 3:23 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU
Also, if you want to be 100% certain, you have quite possibly chosen th wrong list to post your question to as this isn't really an operational issue.
-- Steve.
Juha Saarinen wrote:
On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank
account
- which means they paid Australian GST.
We shipping it to NZ via TNT.
What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST?
When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here.
Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country?
Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there.
-- Juha
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Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Sorry Steve... but while at the fringe of relevancy, we have operators dealing in both countries, like Vocus and others who are frequently moving equipment, parts and so on back and forwards, so the knowledge is useful.
It is not relevant at all past the sort of conversation you have at a pub. I Highly doubt that there is anyone that will give you advice on taxes on this list that will also allow for liability to fall to them when it goes terribly wrong. I also doubt the tax man would take "But there was this guy on the NZNOG list that said it was OK" as a viable excuse. If you want tax advice, goto a tax accountant. If you want network advice, goto a networking person. If you are having problems with Itchy toes then goto a Doctor. It's not rocket science people. -- Steve.
...Skeeve
-- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there?
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog- bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Phillips Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 3:23 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU
Also, if you want to be 100% certain, you have quite possibly chosen th wrong list to post your question to as this isn't really an operational issue.
-- Steve.
On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account - which means they paid Australian GST.
We shipping it to NZ via TNT.
What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST?
When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here.
Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country?
Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there.
-- Juha
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Seriously? We're just asking for others experiences Steve, not Tax advice. Armed with others experiences, it can help us prepare the questions we need to ask our accounting people or may point us in the right direction. If you don't want to offer advice - then don't - but your commentary on whether the advice is valid or not, wasn't what was asked for. -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there?
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog- bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Phillips Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 4:03 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU
Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Sorry Steve... but while at the fringe of relevancy, we have operators dealing in both countries, like Vocus and others who are frequently moving equipment, parts and so on back and forwards, so the knowledge is useful.
It is not relevant at all past the sort of conversation you have at a pub.
I Highly doubt that there is anyone that will give you advice on taxes on this list that will also allow for liability to fall to them when it goes terribly wrong.
I also doubt the tax man would take "But there was this guy on the NZNOG list that said it was OK" as a viable excuse.
If you want tax advice, goto a tax accountant. If you want network advice, goto a networking person.
If you are having problems with Itchy toes then goto a Doctor.
It's not rocket science people.
-- Steve.
...Skeeve
-- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there?
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog- bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Phillips Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 3:23 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU
Also, if you want to be 100% certain, you have quite possibly chosen th wrong list to post your question to as this isn't really an operational issue.
-- Steve.
Juha Saarinen wrote:
On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account - which means they paid Australian GST.
We shipping it to NZ via TNT.
What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST?
When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here.
Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country?
Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there.
-- Juha
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Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Seriously?
We're just asking for others experiences Steve, not Tax advice. Armed with others experiences, it can help us prepare the questions we need to ask our accounting people or may point us in the right direction.
If you don't want to offer advice - then don't - but your commentary on whether the advice is valid or not, wasn't what was asked for.
Hey Skeeve, I don't recall giving any commentary on the validity of the advice, I just suggested that this was the wrong place to ask for it. Some of the advice _might_ be perfectly valid, but, along with the other people on this list, I am neither qualified one way or other, and (also probably along with the other 1000 odd people on this list) I don't really care about your tax problems either. * This is an operational list, to discuss issues relating to networking and the occasional beer. * You are asking for advice (or, experiences if you like - I wont bother going into the semantics here) on importing goods and services and the relevant tax laws surrounding these activities. I'm sure that you can see the difference between the two points. Oh, and I'm pretty sure I did offer (along with Matthew) about the only solid advice you can get from this list. "Go and ask someone that actually knows" I'm sure if you posed your original question to a tax accountant or the IRD they would have no problem answering you. I'm sick of this subject now, and have no more intention on continuing this thread. Good luck with finding a GST mailing list, google may be able to help in this. Alternatively you could try.. http://taxpolicy.ird.govt.nz/ http://www.ird.govt.nz/ Advice for importing goods to New Zealand http://www.customs.govt.nz/nr/rdonlyres/41e43da7-b5bb-4412-a711-0ee7879b306e... (sorry, its a PDF) Some people that may be able to help http://www.quantum-solutions.co.nz/ All this from a few quick google searches. HTH, -- Steve.
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Hi All, Long time reader, first time poster in NZNog. I have a question r.e. provision of services + GST. I know this one's been covered by our accountants/legal etc, but Im still curious as to common perception. I have a server in Sydney, that I lease out to a NZ client. They pay in $AUD, but are 100% located in NZ. Do I charge them Australian GST? Do they need to pay NZ GST instead ? I.e. it's an exported service, nothing ever touches down in NZ. -Sean From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 2:13 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote: Hey all, We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account - which means they paid Australian GST. We shipping it to NZ via TNT. What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST? When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here. Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country? Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there. -- Juha
Is it like the US colo servers a lot of us have? Where we don't pay Australian taxes? Well, we never have... but I like Seans question though. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego -- NOC, NOC, who's there? From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 3:25 PM To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU Hi All, Long time reader, first time poster in NZNog. I have a question r.e. provision of services + GST. I know this one's been covered by our accountants/legal etc, but Im still curious as to common perception. I have a server in Sydney, that I lease out to a NZ client. They pay in $AUD, but are 100% located in NZ. Do I charge them Australian GST? Do they need to pay NZ GST instead ? I.e. it's an exported service, nothing ever touches down in NZ. -Sean From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 2:13 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] GST Question for sending things to NZ from AU On 19/11/2009 5:07 p.m., Skeeve Stevens wrote: Hey all, We have a customer in NZ, and we sold them a router for a site in Auckland. I think they paid for it via their Australian bank account - which means they paid Australian GST. We shipping it to NZ via TNT. What I am wondering is - when it lands in NZ, do they again have to pay NZ GST? When I buy things from say - Singapore, I pay it ex-GST and then Fedex demands the GST before they release it to me here. Is it the same with NZ? Should we have sold it to them ex-GST in Australia because the router is leaving the country? Yes, same here and yes, ex-GST sale unless the NZ customer does business in Australia and is registered for GST there. -- Juha
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