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David Farrar

26 Aug 2002 26 Aug '02

3:11 a.m.

Andy wrote:

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At 7:16 AM +1200 8/27/02, DPF wrote:

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:53:21 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:

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How about this:

Once the SRS is running and has passed tests (tests conceived by someone other than a baboon), .nz's SLD is opened up to allcomers?

That exact proposition (plus other possible changes) is planned to indeed be the subject of consultation and review next year. Andy Linton amongst others has been pushing for this for some time and it was going to be reviewed and considered this year but as you suggested, we decided it was best to wait until the SRS is in place.

It is pretty rare for a ccTLD to abolish a 2LD structure

Who said anything about abolishing co/net/org etc?

Open up the SLD to allcomers, but leave the existing registrations in place. People will be free to continue their .co.nz, can register new names in .co.nz if they want, but also have the choice of *.nz

Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Juha Saarinen

26 Aug 26 Aug

3:23 a.m.

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, David Farrar wrote:

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Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz.

Is that a bad thing? -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Bart Kindt

3:29 a.m.

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At 20:11 26/08/02 GMT, David Farrar wrote:

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Who said anything about abolishing co/net/org etc?

Open up the SLD to allcomers, but leave the existing registrations in place. People will be free to continue their .co.nz, can register new names in .co.nz if they want, but also have the choice of *.nz

Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz.

Considering how small New Zealand is, it would have made sense to stick to .nz; In the Netherlands they work happely with .nl and that country has a population 15 million. If you would open it up now a lot of new income would be generated ofcourse, as all major domain holders would have to use it, but also could not afford to close down the .co.nz version either :) Let the money flow! Actually, I would like to see it; First one in use would be bart.nz Cheers Bart Kindt Director, Network Operations The Internet Group Limited New Zealand - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Andy Linton

5:51 a.m.

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, David Farrar wrote:

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Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz.

Given that the vast majority of registrants are in 'co.nz' anyway - the last number I saw was around 95%, I really find it hard to see what value the structure has anyway. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Keith Davidson

5:58 a.m.

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Andy Linton wrote:

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Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz.

Given that the vast majority of registrants are in 'co.nz' anyway - the last number I saw was around 95%, I really find it hard to see what value the structure has anyway.

So are you suggesting that where there is only one name in the .co/org/net/gen/school/cri/govt/iwi etc namespace, it automatically also is allocated in the 2nd level, and all "multiple" names remain in their .co/net/org etc original form? Keith Davidson - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Andy Linton

7:32 a.m.

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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Keith Davidson wrote:

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Andy Linton wrote:

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Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz.

Given that the vast majority of registrants are in 'co.nz' anyway - the last number I saw was around 95%, I really find it hard to see what value the structure has anyway.

So are you suggesting that where there is only one name in the .co/org/net/gen/school/cri/govt/iwi etc namespace, it automatically also is allocated in the 2nd level, and all "multiple" names remain in their .co/net/org etc original form?

Not necessarily. One way might be: If there's no clash then give whoever has a name in .co/org/net/gen/school/cri/govt/iwi first refusal for say 30 days after the domain is created. If there's a clash and there's clear data about when a domain was created then give the respective holders first refusal based on the initial date of their registration or other reasonable evidence (say archived email sent and received using the domain). If the first date-sorted holder doesn't want it then ask the second and so on. Where there's still a clash (and I suspect by this stage the numbers are small) then come up with an arbitration process e.g. draw the names from a hat). In all cases, if no one wants it, then open it up to first come first served. At no stage is anyone compelled to jump into the new domain and if the old domains are going to die let them do so by natural atrophy. The time might come when people say "Oh you've go one of those early 'net.nz' domain names. How quaint!" If we had put this scheme in place then the people who wanted 'maori.nz', 'bank.nz', 'celt.nz', 'geek.nz' and so on would simply have registered them and we wouldn't need to have this totally useless debate every few months when someone decides that using the DNS as a pseudo yellow pages is a good idea. The above may not be the ideal algorithm for sorting this thing out but I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man/woman to devize something that works. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Keith Davidson

7:49 a.m.

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Andy Linton wrote:

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Not necessarily. One way might be:

If there's no clash then give whoever has a name in .co/org/net/gen/school/cri/govt/iwi first refusal for say 30 days after the domain is created.

If there's a clash and there's clear data about when a domain was created then give the respective holders first refusal based on the initial date of their registration or other reasonable evidence (say archived email sent and received using the domain). If the first date-sorted holder doesn't want it then ask the second and so on.

Where there's still a clash (and I suspect by this stage the numbers are small) then come up with an arbitration process e.g. draw the names from a hat).

In all cases, if no one wants it, then open it up to first come first served.

At no stage is anyone compelled to jump into the new domain and if the old domains are going to die let them do so by natural atrophy. The time might come when people say "Oh you've go one of those early 'net.nz' domain names. How quaint!"

Hmmm - might increase the value of such domain names....

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If we had put this scheme in place then the people who wanted 'maori.nz', 'bank.nz', 'celt.nz', 'geek.nz' and so on would simply have registered them and we wouldn't need to have this totally useless debate every few months when someone decides that using the DNS as a pseudo yellow pages is a good idea.

Then nznog would become a dull place... Seriously though the only downside I can see in Andy's sensible discussion is that by collapsing the names, it increases the opportunity for domain name disputes. Currently most issues don't become disputes when more than one party are seeking the same name - many are happy to take the alternative .net/org/gen etc instead of having a scrap over it. Given the UDRP for the gTLD's and the increasing tension over trademarks and copyright etc, isn't it better to have more choice rather than less?

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The above may not be the ideal algorithm for sorting this thing out but I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man/woman to devize something that works.

Devize? How American... I thought there were plans afoot to have other resolvers in place RealNames etc - is anything useful actually happening? Keith Davidson - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Andy Linton

8:16 a.m.

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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Keith Davidson wrote:

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Then nznog would become a dull place...

Well no, we could back to talking about important things like beer! Oh! Light bulb goes on - 'beer.nz' - now there's something that really does represent a community of interest

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Seriously though the only downside I can see in Andy's sensible discussion is that by collapsing the names, it increases the opportunity for domain name disputes. Currently most issues don't become disputes when more than one party are seeking the same name - many are happy to take the alternative .net/org/gen etc instead of having a scrap over it.

Given the UDRP for the gTLD's and the increasing tension over trademarks and copyright etc, isn't it better to have more choice rather than less?

But I don't think I said get rid of the second level domains. I said let them atrophy as needed. If there's still a demand they'll flourish!

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The above may not be the ideal algorithm for sorting this thing out but I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man/woman to devize something that works.

Devize? How American...

(:-) Could be Cornish - they've used Devizes for years! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

DPF

3:22 p.m.

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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:01 +1200 (NZST), Andy Linton wrote:

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, David Farrar wrote:

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Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want to go from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz.

Given that the vast majority of registrants are in 'co.nz' anyway - the last number I saw was around 95%, I really find it hard to see what value the structure has anyway.

Just checked with the Mark Davies stats and it is 85%. But I do agree none the less that the current structure doesn't have a lot of value. DPF -- david(a)farrar.com ICQ 29964527 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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