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It is worth considering this story, in the light of the communications regimen NZ currently finds itself in. I have (almost - lets not get too excited) enjoyed the rational, and carefully worded proposals from David Farrar, Rick Shera and Jim Higgins on how the Internet Society might evolve. I would personally love to perhaps redirect some of the effort being poured into administrative minutiae, to try to get some politicians to understand the implications of the knowledge economy, and how the easy access to the knowledge economy is incredibly important to areas of the country that find themselves significantly disadvantaged (eg the decline of the rural economy). David - persuade one politician a day...... This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this. Then where you develop idea's, software, written material and interleectual property does not matter one iota. -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Roger De Salis wrote:
This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this.
It's becoming increasingly embarrassing being a New Zealander internationally - just last week I tripped over a Cisco 675 being installed in a pizza parlour on Telegraph, right next to Berkeley university - even the homeless here "browse the 'Net." In South-East China it used to cost $30K/US a month for a 64K circuit and you were lucky if it stood up for a few days at a time - now there are bright shiny new NAPs built on literally dirt floors that put New Zealand's to shame. I asked Korea Telecom's 'Net operations manager once where his overseas feeds came in, and he nonchanantly indicated an *aisle* of 10-15 Cisco 7513s allocated just for that purpose. What other way can I say it? I turn my back on my country! New Zealand isn't interested in playing. Reliable and capacious Internet access is two steps forward, one step back with a wobble for good measure between steps. Culturally New Zealanders do not take the Internet seriously. It is very clear from the outside looking in that NZ politicians reflect the attitudes of their majorities quite accurately. In summarising and following on from your point Roger - it seems the only way to get Powers To Be to listen is to walk out. Like other people of my generation/age group/ambitions/industry, I can't wait for my country to catch up with my future. -- Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Josh Bailey wrote:
It's becoming increasingly embarrassing being a New Zealander internationally - just last week I tripped over a Cisco 675 being installed in a pizza parlour on Telegraph, right next to Berkeley
You should look where you are walking. You'll give NZ'ers a bad name :)
in, and he nonchanantly indicated an *aisle* of 10-15 Cisco 7513s allocated just for that purpose.
Yeah, NZ has got a long way to go before we need an aisle of 7513s. While we're at it we should *seriously* consider boosting our population by several hundred million. Gotta have those users. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Jamie Clark wrote:
You'll give NZ'ers a bad name :)
I happily do that anyway. :)
While we're at it we should *seriously* consider boosting our population by several hundred million. Gotta have those users.
My point was infrastructural quality, not sheer quantity thereof. As I was saying, we've still yet to see really, really un-wobbly Internet access in New Zealand. For some reason, businesses aren't particularly keen on adopting a service as a fundamental part of their business if it doesn't work all of the time. -- Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 04:09:22PM -0800, Josh Bailey wrote:
[aisles of 7513s]
Sounds like one of Roger's buddies sold someone a line :) How many 7513s do you need to terminate a gig of international traffic? To be fair, China is (a) much closer to established fibre-rich nations, and (b) far more likely to attract dollar-laden investors, lured by its limitless supply of untapped, virgin consumers. However, I think the point about China's growth compared to NZ's is spot on. Anecdote, only barely related, mind you (bear in mind that when I left England about five years ago, Demon Internet had a 256k circuit to Sprint in New York, which supported about 10,000 customers. The world-wide-web was something that happened to other people) Just recently I had cause to phone up the police station in Bedford, England (where I used to live). I was after a summary of my records[1] in the police computer, so that I could keep the Canadian immigration[2] people well-fed with paper. Me: "Can you send the form to me? I'm in New Zealand." Plod: "Oh yes, no problem, we can send it anywhere in the world. Wait a minute - do you have e-mail?" Me: "Yes. It's jabley(a)patho.gen.nz[3]." Plod: "OK, I'll highlight the parts of the form you need to fill in, and send it to that address." xbiff: Beep! Me: "Bugger me, that was quick." Note that this is just the policeman that happened to be at the front desk when I called. No "oh, I'll put you through to our e-mail expert" or anything. And this is Bedford we're talking about, which is loosely equivilent to Masterton in NZ terms (no disrespect intended!) And to crown it all: Plod: "Do you have a PGP key signed by us?" Me: [pause] "No, actually." Plod: "Oh well, you'll need to send that back through the post then, because we can't accept it by e-mail." Joe [1] The record was blank. Just in case you were wondering. [2] I can jump ship just as easily as the next man. [3] Actually, "G-E-N..." "Jem? J-E-M?" "No, GEN. G-E-N." "OK, so that's "T A T H O.." "P. P A T" "I'm sorry, could you say that again?" "J A B..." [repeat until dead] -- Ua lawa küpono ka hakahaka pä o këia pä malule --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Joe Abley wrote:
[2] I can jump ship just as easily as the next man.
Q: Why is Joe Abley moving to Canada? A: 0867, probably. Just my two cents worth. Regards, Rob. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Q: Why is Joe Abley moving to Canada? A: 0867, probably.
I'll leave it to Joe to answer this, but 0867 probably isn't sufficient on its own (and mind-blowingly stupid as it is) However, with an election looming and taxes looking like they may rise (considerably), I suspect a few of us^h^people may be looking at doing the same... (again) -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 09:35:43AM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
Q: Why is Joe Abley moving to Canada? A: 0867, probably.
I'll leave it to Joe to answer this
nice of you :)
but 0867 probably isn't sufficient on its own (and mind-blowingly stupid as it is)
"I have my own reasons". There are carrots as well as sticks. It's all a rich tapestry. -- Ua lawa küpono ka hakahaka pä o këia pä malule --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Come on in the waters fine. NZ is cool - but other places are cool too. Josh? Comments? =) On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 09:35:43AM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
Q: Why is Joe Abley moving to Canada? A: 0867, probably.
I'll leave it to Joe to answer this, but 0867 probably isn't sufficient on its own (and mind-blowingly stupid as it is)
However, with an election looming and taxes looking like they may rise (considerably), I suspect a few of us^h^people may be looking at doing the same... (again)
-cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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Dean Pemberton wrote:
Come on in the waters fine.
NZ is cool - but other places are cool too.
Josh? Comments? =)
Josh & some others are aware that I'm off to Europe as well
more of the brain drain thing I guess, except it's not me with the large
student loan, it's my wife :-/
cheers
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Q: Why is Joe Abley moving to Canada? A: 0867, probably.
Q: Why is Andy Gardner in Mexico? A: Telecom, LTSA probably. Andrew P. Gardner Support the Cyberspace Association, the constituency of Individual Domain Name Owners http://www.idno.org --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Rob Isaac wrote:
Joe Abley wrote:
[2] I can jump ship just as easily as the next man.
Q: Why is Joe Abley moving to Canada? A: 0867, probably.
Just my two cents worth.
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