We have one of those blocks which we got from the University of Waikato a rather long long time ago. Telecom never had anything to do with our block. The current situation means that all of the contacts for those blocks have just been wiped. So they cannot even contact the real owners any more unless they kept a record of the old listings. (Fat chance I would say). You can't even say "look I have had this for 14 years". What's even worse is that I was never notified this was happening. And my contact details were up to date. What is the point of the APNIC database when you are listed as the admin, tech contact and maintainer of a block and all of those details are changed without you being notified. Makes a mockery of the whole thing. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus Senior Software Engineer Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 Clearfield Software Ltd Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Mob (+64-21) 640 779 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Dan Clark wrote:

This is a disaster! Oh well if Telecom want to get all the Abuse contact from anyone wanting to contact address space/ISP abuse contacts for SPAM etc then so be it, but what a terrible way to try and find who's address block is who's now. If that is all it was then most ppl won't worry but the implication of this is more serious than that.

If it becomes part of telecom then eventually there will be some point when Telecom will think they own it and start charging for use of it OR worse still, start allocating the space for their own use. David and jfp aren't the only ones affected by this (if David's email is an indication of what is to come for others in the same boat).

Whats the next step? Is there a way back to get our contact details back on the whois records? That is a good question. Does anyone on that historical block have their whois info?.

Who in APNIC do we contact about this? Who will represent these users to APNIC? What if APNIC won't listen to reason? Anyway I am quite happy to set up a mailing list for ppl who "own" IPs within the old block so we can have a discussion. email me privately if you want to be subbed to it. If there's enough requests I'll set up one. btw when you email me, do let me know which ip block you are using. I'd prever to hear from ppl who will be affected than let everyone be part of the mailing list. regards lin

jfp wrote:

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We have one of those blocks which we got from the University of Waikato a rather long long time ago. Telecom never had anything to do with our block.

The current situation means that all of the contacts for those blocks have just been wiped. So they cannot even contact the real owners any more unless they kept a record of the old listings. (Fat chance I would say).

You can't even say "look I have had this for 14 years".

What's even worse is that I was never notified this was happening. And my contact details were up to date.

What is the point of the APNIC database when you are listed as the admin, tech contact and maintainer of a block and all of those details are changed without you being notified. Makes a mockery of the whole thing.

jfp.

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Richard Patterson wrote:

Lin Nah wrote:

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If it becomes part of telecom then eventually there will be some point when Telecom will think they own it and start charging for use of it OR worse still, start allocating the space for their own use

Didn't this happen to maxnet not so long ago?

No. That said, we have a legacy /24 from Waikato, 202.27.204.0/24, which has been eaten by Telecom. Although it was always under their maintainer (APNIC wouldn't let us put it under ours), but it seems our person records have disappeared - although presumably this is from the WHOIS privatising. aj -- Network Operations || noc. +64.9.915.1825 Maxnet || cell. +64.21.639.706