Re: [nznog] FW: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from the archives?
I think we've been through this before, and the answer is no. There is all sorts of things in the archives that people would like to have removed. The answer has always been no. Infact way back in time there was a HUGE argument about it. Where people offered to just make alternative, REAL versions of the archives with the removed posts. It got really nasty. Dean (In his ad-hoc role as NZNOG historian)
Dean Pemberton wrote:
List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from the archives?
I think we've been through this before, and the answer is no.
There is all sorts of things in the archives that people would like to have removed. The answer has always been no. Infact way back in time there was a HUGE argument about it. Where people offered to just make alternative, REAL versions of the archives with the removed posts. It got really nasty.
Exactly. Anyway, if the post was removed from the archives, how on earth would we all learn not to quote parts of private, clearly sensitive communications on a public list? -- Jasper Bryant-Greene Director Album Limited jasper(a)albumltd.co.nz +64 21 708 334 / 0800 425 286 http://www.albumltd.co.nz/
Hi Folks, The request for removal has supposedly come through from BCL legal department. Although I don't agree with what is going on, they have asked us to ensure removal of the posts from the public eye - and I am trying to do this to the extent of my abilities. Why they want the posts removed is entirely up to them. I disagree with Mr. Bryant-Greene that the particular bit of communication conveyed was of a private or sensitive nature. If I thought it was, I would have never posted it to a public list. What I saw was a state owned enterprise acting in a way I felt was preventing a private company from competing with them. I have however recently been reminded of Hanlon's Razor. If this is all just a misunderstanding, I would hope that as a result of this episode we will receive word that we will not be denied the ability to use existing generator power in the unique, government owned broadcast sites managed by Kordia, and that our future dealings with them will live up to the standard set by their new name. Regards, Jonathan Brewer
-----Original Message----- From: Jasper Bryant-Greene [mailto:jasper(a)albumltd.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 7:28 p.m. To: Dean Pemberton Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] FW: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from
Dean Pemberton wrote: the archives?
I think we've been through this before, and the answer is no.
There is all sorts of things in the archives that people
have removed. The answer has always been no. Infact way back in time there was a HUGE argument about it. Where people offered to just make alternative, REAL versions of the archives with the removed
would like to posts. It
got really nasty.
Exactly. Anyway, if the post was removed from the archives, how on earth would we all learn not to quote parts of private, clearly sensitive communications on a public list?
-- Jasper Bryant-Greene Director Album Limited
jasper(a)albumltd.co.nz +64 21 708 334 / 0800 425 286 http://www.albumltd.co.nz/
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Jonathan Brewer wrote:
The request for removal has supposedly come through from BCL legal department. Although I don't agree with what is going on, they have asked us to ensure removal of the posts from the public eye - and I am trying to do this to the extent of my abilities.
Well, I guess if they want to serve a court order on the University of Waikato, they might be able to get it removed. Maybe. That's assuming they can find a judge who would take their side - they're an SOE, and thus governed by all kinds of legislation that doesn't apply to mere private enterprises, not least of which is the NZ Bill of Rights Act. As things stand currently, the list administrators have taken the position that posts will not be removed from the archives. I don't see why this situation should be treated any differently. BCL have every right to reply to this forum if they want the record corrected. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
On 30-Nov-2006, at 05:04, Matthew Poole wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Jonathan Brewer wrote:
The request for removal has supposedly come through from BCL legal department. Although I don't agree with what is going on, they have asked us to ensure removal of the posts from the public eye - and I am trying to do this to the extent of my abilities.
Well, I guess if they want to serve a court order on the University of Waikato, they might be able to get it removed. Maybe.
In a similar situation on the NANOG list not so long ago, Merit decided to err on the side of not incurring legal fees, and removed an article from their archive immediately upon request from the individual concerned, without even waiting for a letter from a lawyer. This was controversial. The NANOG steering committee decided that the operation of Merit's archive was properly Merit's business, but that there was some value in making it easy for other people to operate independent archives, in the interests of diversity in archive administration policy. Merit also agreed to annotate their archive so that it was easy to spot where revisionist changes had been made. If people are concerned about the ongoing availability of an accurate NZNOG archive, a proactive response is to set up a private archive. I seem to remember doing this once before, on www.nznog.org which I hosted outside NZ (although that archive has since disappeared, since it suffered some small sickness which I didn't feel like fixing at the time, and we wanted to use www.nznog.org as a conference URL anyway). Joe
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