Yeah...Righto Rog...!!! In peak hour traffic too... Why not !!??
Anyone know of any magical IOS commands to kill -9 a process? :) Someone's managed to crash a couple of sessions on a router here while they're holding a lock on the nvram.
Ahh. You want the "reload" command. However you may find that the "reload" feature is unavailable in your current version of IOS as it is a restricted feature set. Please upgrade to 12.2(1)XD. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:54:16AM +1200, Lindsay Druett wrote:
Yeah...Righto Rog...!!!
In peak hour traffic too... Why not !!??
Because you should have link redundancy and the traffic should switch over to the other router/links Any more questions welcome, answered for low prices =) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:06:40PM +1200, Dean Pemberton wrote: Because you should have link redundancy and the traffic should switch over to the other router/links Any more questions welcome, answered for low prices =) And if this is an edge device with customers connected to it? Actually... one thing I looked at for exactly this sort of this was <mumble> <mumble> routers at the edge with ATM for customer access and APS (yeah, you could use Cisco, but G$Rs are kinda spendy for customer aggregation and last time I check APS wasn't an option for 75xx routers). Sure, it kills any BGP sessions that might be up, but it theory anyone running BGP is doing so because they want redundancy so you can probably get away with it anyhow... for those with stub networks hanging off connected/static routes, you get a brief blip, a few packets lost and hopefully not much more. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 07:51:30PM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:06:40PM +1200, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Because you should have link redundancy and the traffic should switch over to the other router/links
Any more questions welcome, answered for low prices =)
And if this is an edge device with customers connected to it?
VRRP between two customer edge routers, through a layer-2 hand-off or two separate layer-3 handoffs and customer runs BGP? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:52:37AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: VRRP between two customer edge routers, through a layer-2 hand-off or two separate layer-3 handoffs and customer runs BGP? Customer's typically won't spend the $$$ for this, and not all customers can or should run BGP. Most customers tend to want to have an X.21 interface at their end and as little configuration for them to mess with as possible (actually, there are some that like to mess about with as much configuration as possible, they tend to be those who should have the least though!). --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:55:43AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:52:37AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
VRRP between two customer edge routers, through a layer-2 hand-off or two separate layer-3 handoffs and customer runs BGP?
Customer's typically won't spend the $$$ for this, and not all customers can or should run BGP.
There's no customer spend required for this, and if running BGP is too hard, all they need is a default route towards the virtual router. I was talking about a colo environment, though. I can see how using telco layer-2 handoffs changes the problem somewhat.
Most customers tend to want to have an X.21 interface at their end
Our customers tend to prefer (gigabit|fast) ethernet or POS, mainly because that's all we offer :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:08:01AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: There's no customer spend required for this, and if running BGP is too hard, all they need is a default route towards the virtual router. OK, but that more means icky layer-2 stuff... evil. I was talking about a colo environment, though. I can see how using telco layer-2 handoffs changes the problem somewhat. Yes... in colo it's potentially somewhat easier. Our customers tend to prefer (gigabit|fast) ethernet or POS, mainly because that's all we offer :) Yeah, well my Dad is bigger than yours! --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:09:59AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:08:01AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: Our customers tend to prefer (gigabit|fast) ethernet or POS, mainly because that's all we offer :)
Yeah, well my Dad is bigger than yours!
I actually doubt that :) My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for internet access. Of course, many customers probably don't realise this. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:19:26AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for internet access. Of course, many customers probably don't realise this. No, most customers do realise this, most customers want an ethernet port because it's really simple and easy for them to manage... --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:19:26AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for internet access. Of course, many customers probably don't realise this.
Can I purloin this pithy comment as my sig-du-jour....... nothing like getting them thinking...... :-) R
No, most customers do realise this, most customers want an ethernet port because it's really simple and easy for them to manage...
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-- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd
:: > My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for :: > internet access. Of course, many customers probably don't realise :: > this. :: :: Can I purloin this pithy comment as my sig-du-jour....... :: nothing like getting them thinking...... It's illogical though. You can't "not want" and "not realise that you don't want". -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:50:50AM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: It's illogical though. You can't "not want" and "not realise that you don't want". GET TEA AND NO TEA --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: GET TEA AND NO TEA I never could see the point of that. Usually, I wake up in the morning and drink a bottle of gin... fourteen pints of lager and a Babycham, but it still doesn't make sense. -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:53:43PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: :: GET TEA AND NO TEA I never could see the point of that. You need to open the screening door, the room is occupied by a super-intelligent robot and that lesser being are not allowed to be admitted. Usually, I wake up in the morning and drink a bottle of gin... fourteen pints of lager and a Babycham, but it still doesn't make sense. Your obviously not drinking enough then. Your in luck though, high octane fuel is now available from selected locations. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
I never could see the point of that. Usually, I wake up in the morning and drink a bottle of gin... fourteen pints of lager and a Babycham...
You're going to drink 'til you die? JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: You're going to drink 'til you die? I can't help being a heavy metal drinking driving alcohol machine. -- chown -R us.us /yourbase/* Juha Saarinen --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
chown -R us.us /yourbase/*
:s/\./:/ Linux weenies <sigh> :P Cheers R -- Richard Stevenson, Systems Specialist, Xtra The proper term is a "Jet database", accessed through the "Jet engine". A fitting name, considering that it sucks and blows. -- Felix --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
chown -R us.us /yourbase/*
cd ./thebomb/ ; ./configure /etc/init.d/mainscreen start chown -R us:us /yourbase/* echo "What" | /usr/bin/festival rm -rf /chance-to-survive/ cd /yourtime/ ; make mv /zig/* ./ --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
chown -R us.us /yourbase/*
The contents of the directory may belong to 'us' but the directory is still mine! Mine I tell you! Hahahaha! (:-) It's OK for you young things, you have it too easy - us 7th Edition weenies needed to: find /yourbase -exec chown us {} \; find /yourbase -exec chgrp us {} \; 9th Edition improved this to: find /yourbase -exec chown us,us {} \; The '-R' flag is a Berkleyism which was contentious when it was introduced. See http://gaul.org/files/cat_-v_considered_harmful.html --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: The contents of the directory may belong to 'us' but the directory is :: still mine! Mine I tell you! Hahahaha! (:-) Hrrmm... need to Bugtraq my sig obviously. :: It's OK for you young things, you have it too easy - us 7th Edition :: weenies needed to: :: :: find /yourbase -exec chown us {} \; :: find /yourbase -exec chgrp us {} \; :: :: 9th Edition improved this to: :: :: find /yourbase -exec chown us,us {} \; That comma-nd doesn't work. Try this patch: --- yourbase Fri May 18 12:26:32 2001 +++ yourbase.fixed Fri May 18 12:28:23 2001 @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@ -find /yourbase -exec chown us,us {} \; +find /yourbase -exec chown us:us {} \; :: The '-R' flag is a Berkleyism which was contentious when it was :: introduced. See http://gaul.org/files/cat_-v_considered_harmful.html Interesting! I can now clobber some eejits on the FreeBSD list over the head with that info. :-) -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: I actually doubt that :) Big Daddy eh? :: My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for internet :: access. Why not? -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
:: I actually doubt that :)
Big Daddy eh?
:: My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for internet :: access.
Why not?
Because it's too fast for most of them to deal with. I've heard you can speeds of up to 2Mb/s on these interfaces - what could anyone possible want that for? (:-) Seriously, the only reason anyone would want this slow crap is that it's all the telcos want to provide because they've got this huge legacy investment in that technology and most of the people working in them have their heads too far up their asses. Remember when ISDN stood for Incredibly Slow Dumb Networking - that label now applies to this. Thinks, "Isn't it great not to be working for a telco" (;-) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: Because it's too fast for most of them to deal with. I've heard you can :: speeds of up to 2Mb/s on these interfaces - what could anyone possible :: want that for? (:-) Oh yeah, I forgot... people get really worked up here if you offer anything above 9k6... seems it causes brain damage or something. :: Seriously, the only reason anyone would want this slow crap is that it's :: all the telcos want to provide because they've got this huge legacy :: investment in that technology and most of the people working in them have :: their heads too far up their asses. Remember when ISDN stood for :: Incredibly Slow Dumb Networking - that label now applies to this. Yeah, well, those 2Mbps DDS circuits seem to be selling well at the moment. Clear's flogging FR circuits with a "2Mbps burst" promise as well. Slowly does it... -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:34:39AM +1200, Andy Linton wrote: Seriously, the only reason anyone would want this slow crap is that it's all the telcos want to provide because they've got this huge legacy investment in that technology and most of the people working in them have their heads too far up their asses. Remember when ISDN stood for Incredibly Slow Dumb Networking - that label now applies to this. I'm not defending telco's (trust me, really I'm not!) but telco's know how to provide 2M bearers and deal with faults on them. They know how to make these things fairly reliable... the same cannot be said for (say) 10M Ethernet in many circumstances. Generally, most of the components in a 2M circuit have bearer and various other alarms on them and systems that know about such beasts, for Ethernet these have no such visibility and probably a skill deficit to deal with things such as the evils of spanning tree :) Hmm... I think I just agreed with Andy there did I? --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Chris Wedgwood
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:34:39AM +1200, Andy Linton wrote:
Seriously, the only reason anyone would want this slow crap is that it's all the telcos want to provide because they've got this huge legacy investment in that technology and most of the people working in them have their heads too far up their asses. Remember when ISDN stood for Incredibly Slow Dumb Networking - that label now applies to this.
I'm not defending telco's (trust me, really I'm not!) but telco's know how to provide 2M bearers and deal with faults on them. They know how to make these things fairly reliable... the same cannot be said for (say) 10M Ethernet in many circumstances.
But I thought Andy covered that, in the bit about telco employees' cranial donkeys. -- don --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
So to summarise here: 1) If you want redundancy then it is possible to get it (and don't give me shit about convergence time, pffft) 2) It is liable to cost you more money than if you didn't have it, but hey thats a business decision. So don't moan when you don't have it, because it was your choice. 3) Customers do not know what they want half the time, and the other half they can't have it anyway I miss anything? Oh and yes, I did wake up in a cynical mood today =) On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:19:26AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:09:59AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:08:01AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: Our customers tend to prefer (gigabit|fast) ethernet or POS, mainly because that's all we offer :)
Yeah, well my Dad is bigger than yours!
I actually doubt that :)
My point was that no customer *wants* an X.21 interface for internet access. Of course, many customers probably don't realise this.
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On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:55:43AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
Most customers tend to want to have an X.21 interface at their end and as little configuration for them to mess with as possible
Oh yeah sorry, forgot what country we were all talking about again =) And since when did customers dictate what interfaces they got offered from carriers. Like if I march up and want an stm-16 then that should be no problem right? =) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:25:38AM +1200, Dean Pemberton wrote: Oh yeah sorry, forgot what country we were all talking about again =) And since when did customers dictate what interfaces they got offered from carriers. Like if I march up and want an stm-16 then that should be no problem right? Of course you can... any major telco in NZ will provide STM-16 if you provide the money. STM-16 is probably easier to provide than a 2M X.21 in reality. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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