I assume we're talking about .nz based on the reference to the DNC... I just queried one fine both from cli and from the DNC's website. Mark. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Mike Bordignon wrote:

on 5/02/2008 3:14 p.m. Chris Hodgetts wrote:

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Hello,

Just doing a whois on a few domain names, and I am getting access denied.

I have tried on 5 different hosts, on 5 different networks, and all getting the same response.

I have even gone to the dnc.org.nz page and nothing of note there.

It's been like this for what seems like 10 - 15 minutes, but might be longer.

Any clues?

I get the same thing.. I seem to get a 440 Request Denied each and every time I try to whois a domain name.

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Yeah, I had this same problem a few months back where someone from .nz finally responded to this list saying "there is no problem" where many people were getting the same issue as me... Once again the outage was only 20mins or so, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2007-November/013617.html Thanks Barry

Someone with quick fingers (and I think you know who you are) must have done something.. because it is now working..

Took a long time to work though! Must have been about 15 minutes..

On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 15:24 +1300, Mark Foster wrote:

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I assume we're talking about .nz based on the reference to the DNC...

I just queried one fine both from cli and from the DNC's website.

Mark.

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Mike Bordignon wrote:

...

on 5/02/2008 3:14 p.m. Chris Hodgetts wrote:

...

Hello,

Just doing a whois on a few domain names, and I am getting access denied.

I have tried on 5 different hosts, on 5 different networks, and all getting the same response.

I have even gone to the dnc.org.nz page and nothing of note there.

It's been like this for what seems like 10 - 15 minutes, but might be longer.

Any clues?

I get the same thing.. I seem to get a 440 Request Denied each and

every

...

time I try to whois a domain name.

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I believe the "outages" are due to the rate limiting system of the whois service, to stop data-mining. (And save you from getting dodgy registration notices in the mail) Basically any IP that is not in the whitelist gets dumped in the 'everyone else' ratelimit bucket, so when joe random spammer from $evil_place decides to mass-whois the .nz space, everyone get to wear the brunt of it blocking you out. The whois ratelimiting is there to stop people mining the database en-masse, registrars can access the XML service or have their whois source IP whitelisted - there are a number of registrars providing whois services via their website which use the XML service and there are appropriate captcha scripts to stop people mass-mining these.I'd suggest you find one of those if you really need to whois then and there, otherwise just give it a while and the rate limit will go away. I would however like to see an official message on here from the NZRS / DNC / InternetNZ / whoever wants to take ownership today as this does seem to be an ongoing issue and so far they haven't made a straight up official explanation (essentially what I've just described above) to everyone. Cheers, Blair

One assumes that all registrars would be white listed.. I even tried from domainz.co.nz and from iserve.co.nz.. Both of which denied me.. On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 18:19 +1300, Blair Harris on wrote:

And here's an earlier thread we discussed practically the same thing..

http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2007-May/013141.html

and maybe you can search for this in future with http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nznog+whois+site%3Alist.waikato.ac.nz&btnG=Search

Cheers, Blair

On Feb 5, 2008 6:10 PM, Blair Harrison wrote:

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I believe the "outages" are due to the rate limiting system of the whois service, to stop data-mining. (And save you from getting dodgy registration notices in the mail)

Basically any IP that is not in the whitelist gets dumped in the 'everyone else' ratelimit bucket, so when joe random spammer from $evil_place decides to mass-whois the .nz space, everyone get to wear the brunt of it blocking you out.

The whois ratelimiting is there to stop people mining the database en-masse, registrars can access the XML service or have their whois source IP whitelisted - there are a number of registrars providing whois services via their website which use the XML service and there are appropriate captcha scripts to stop people mass-mining these.I'd suggest you find one of those if you really need to whois then and there, otherwise just give it a while and the rate limit will go away.

I would however like to see an official message on here from the NZRS / DNC / InternetNZ / whoever wants to take ownership today as this does seem to be an ongoing issue and so far they haven't made a straight up official explanation (essentially what I've just described above) to everyone.

Cheers, Blair

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