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Mark Davies

27 Mar 2001 27 Mar '01

5:01 p.m.

From: "fwetyson" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:58:13 +1200

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Would be interested in the dates regarding VUW and Massey

1989 - about 6 months after the international link went in to Waikato having got fed up waiting for the computer centers to get something working.

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Did these take place before Kawahiko and Tuia got on line via NZGate?

Yes. cheers mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tony McGregor

28 Mar 28 Mar

3:45 p.m.

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mark Davies wrote:

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From: "fwetyson" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:58:13 +1200

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Would be interested in the dates regarding VUW and Massey

1989 - about 6 months after the international link went in to Waikato having got fed up waiting for the computer centers to get something working.

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Did these take place before Kawahiko and Tuia got on line via NZGate?

The first uucp link out of Massey was to Auckland using the leased voice circuit that Massey owned to reduce the cost of toll calls. We got access to the circuit in the evenings. I think we also, briefly, had a link to Victoria, over a similar circuit. It took me months to organise because of a senior manager who said "There will never be computers connected to MY telephone exchange." Our victory over him was short lived because he imposed daytime toll rate charges on us and effectively killed the project. We made the DSIR link a few months later. The Massey `node' was a 68000 based Unix(tm) Altos. I'm afraid I don't remember the dates any more and am not sure how I'd find out but I guess it was around 1986/7. I left Massey in 1988. And of course, well before all of that there was kiwinet. But that didn't really have anything to do with the Internet. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095 Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

fwetyson

4:12 p.m.

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Tony and Mark thanks for the info I intend combining all the info into a new history crediting each source where applicable If anyone wants feel free to email the info direct instead of cluttering the list Also if you wish to review the final updates Ill post a note here when completed Im still seeking info from some of the other pioneers in initial developments Other info such as when each ISP went on line or other recent major developments is also welcome Cheers Frank Tyson Phone: 64211341826 Fax:+6445635927 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

dean＠flatnet.gen.nz

4:24 p.m.

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Maybe Richard Naylor has an update on WCC's Kosmos =) On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:12:18PM +1200, fwetyson wrote:

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Tony and Mark thanks for the info I intend combining all the info into a new history crediting each source where applicable If anyone wants feel free to email the info direct instead of cluttering the list Also if you wish to review the final updates Ill post a note here when completed

Im still seeking info from some of the other pioneers in initial developments Other info such as when each ISP went on line or other recent major developments is also welcome Cheers Frank Tyson Phone: 64211341826 Fax:+6445635927

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Andy Gardner

29 Mar 29 Mar

12:57 a.m.

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At 10:24 pm +1200 3/29/01, dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz wrote:

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Maybe Richard Naylor has an update on WCC's Kosmos =)

Last time I saw it (2 years ago), it was way up on the top level of a very high pallet rack at Encore Auctions warehouse in Wainuiomata. Given that it's going to be destroyed in the next earthquake if it remains in that position, may I suggest that it is rescued and sent to a suitable museum urgently, as it is a very important part of NZ Internet history. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.domain-owners.org http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Richard Naylor

4:24 a.m.

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At 12:57 PM 3/29/01 -0600, you wrote:

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At 10:24 pm +1200 3/29/01, dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz wrote:

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Maybe Richard Naylor has an update on WCC's Kosmos =)

Last time I saw it (2 years ago), it was way up on the top level of a very high pallet rack at Encore Auctions warehouse in Wainuiomata.

Given that it's going to be destroyed in the next earthquake if it remains in that position, may I suggest that it is rescued and sent to a suitable museum urgently, as it is a very important part of NZ Internet history.

There were actually 3 Kosmos machines. The original was a VAX 750, then it became a micro-Vax II, then a cluster of Micro-VAX-IIs (3 I think), and finally a Micro-Vax 3900. I lost track of them all when I moved out of IT in 94, although I oversaw the direction of the public bits and its eventual closure in 96. The modems are probably still around somewhere. They were CASE Quatro modems in a rack. Of course CASE became Dowty, then Cray Comms, then Anite and now Logical. The modems were bought in 1988, but it took 2 years for me to pluck up courage and let the public in.. There were 24 of them, 8 public, 8 WCC and 8 IT staff. WCC usage was low so we used 12 for public use, 4 for wcc and 8 for IT. CityNet was actually started in 1986 and was teh name for the whole WCC network. When we allowed public access, we used to send public users copies of our in house newsletter and so people tend to think of CityNet as only the public bit. We ran our first fibers between MED and WCC in August 1988 with ethernet. We subsequently added another 4 or 5 buildings and then all the buildings of the new Civic Center. This then lead to what is now known as CityLink, although CityLink didn't start until 95/96. Once again it took a few years before I was brave enough to do it publicly. What none of the users knew was that during the rebuild of Civic Center, we kept the computer center in place while they gutted the building. We had a buldozer parked outside the door and had a special stair case from outside. During the "construction" we had 2 fires and 1 flood, but kept the service going, as well as servicing WCC, MED, Milk, Buses, etc some 1500 users. I still remember getting into work at 3am during one fire in under 10 minutes. As we had a contract with DECUS, CityNet at one stage had dial in modems in Auckland, Palmerston North, Levin/Otaki, Wn and Christchurch as well as via X25. We used to feed news out via UUCP to many places and via DECnet to Christchurch City Council. I think we were their email feed for many years. richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Michael Newbery

5:16 a.m.

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One interesting bit of NON-history: VUW was offered the opportunity to participate in Alohanet, which would have got us onto the very genesis of the Internet. We needed a satellite link to do this, which the university did not have. Wellington Polytech DID have a suitable dish, but we could not afford the cost of the cross town leased line (among other things). A might-have-been. -- Michael Newbery Technical Specialist TelstraSaturn Limited Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile: +64-2-939 5102 Fax: +64-4-922 8401 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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