.nz registry lame delegations
Does anybody have any ideas on how to stop the .nz registry delegating names to ones name servers when they are not authoratative nor permission obtained for their use? This happens when they "reinstate" a domain after it has been suspended, usually for non payment of registration fees. I've tried asking them privately, but they dont seem to understand. It was not so much of an issue when it only happened once or twice a month, but it is far more regular now. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Does anybody have any ideas on how to stop the .nz registry delegating names to ones name servers when they are not authoratative nor permission obtained for their use?
Right now -- I don't think you can do much about it. Surely this is also the situation with other registries too though? If I register wibble.org (which I can't, because someone else has, but ignore than for now) with Network Solutions and I can put much anyone I like in there for name servers.
This happens when they "reinstate" a domain after it has been suspended, usually for non payment of registration fees.
I've tried asking them privately, but they dont seem to understand. It was not so much of an issue when it only happened once or twice a month, but it is far more regular now.
I'm curious -- is a problem for you? If so, how? It seems to me you could look at this another way - as joe user, I get a domain wibble.org.nz via some ISP, I pay the Domainz fee but not my ISP - my ISP revokes the DNS from theer infrastructure, but Domainz does not -- and why should they? I have paid them some money and they are perhaps obligated to honour their part of the contract? So, what am I missing here? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I'm curious -- is a problem for you? If so, how?
All the reasons why lame delegations are no good, and a few more besides. The registrant thinks by paying the registry bill, service will be reinstated. If delegation required us to participate in the transaction, the registrant would have learned they had to pay our bill as well.
It seems to me you could look at this another way
- as joe user, I get a domain wibble.org.nz via some ISP, I pay the Domainz fee but not my ISP
- my ISP revokes the DNS from theer infrastructure, but Domainz does not -- and why should they? I have paid them some money and they are perhaps obligated to honour their part of the contract?
So, what am I missing here?
RFC's and the notion of a good stable DNS. The registry can leave the name in the register, but I beleive they have a responsibility not to delegate names to name servers that are known not to be configured to provide name service at delegation time. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
All the reasons why lame delegations are no good, and a few more besides. The registrant thinks by paying the registry bill, service will be reinstated. If delegation required us to participate in the transaction, the registrant would have learned they had to pay our bill as well.
Sure, this is reasonable -- obviously it doesn't fit the current Domainz issues.
RFC's and the notion of a good stable DNS.
As most people know, I'm pretty idealistic most of the time, but the current status for .nz domains is not all that different that what has occurred elsewhere in the past. Thats not a justification of course, just an observation.
The registry can leave the name in the register, but I beleive they have a responsibility not to delegate names to name servers that are known not to be configured to provide name service at delegation time.
Sure, this seems reasonable provided there is some reliable automated mechanism to communicate this information back back to Domainz. -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
The registry can leave the name in the register, but I beleive they have a responsibility not to delegate names to name servers that are known not to be configured to provide name service at delegation time.
Sure, this seems reasonable provided there is some reliable automated mechanism to communicate this information back back to Domainz.
They already have a script to do it. They check at registration time,a they need to do is check at delegation time, which is where it really matters anyway. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
They already have a script to do it. They check at registration time,a they need to do is check at delegation time, which is where it really matters anyway.
This assumes suspension and reactivation in the only way you get lame delegations, my example was where I pay Domainz and not my ISP, this it had never been suspended. I can't think of a nice scalable way for domainz to detect this (sure, they could query NS records before the rebuild, perhaps not all domains in one day, but a few at a time to get them all done within a week or so might not be too bad). -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I think there is way to much gossip and chatting on this mailing list. What about a new nznog-gossip list where 'chatty' people can hang out? I don't want my inbox full of 'chat', just important NZNOG stuff. /Martin --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I think there is way to much gossip and chatting on this mailing list. What about a new nznog-gossip list where 'chatty' people can hang out? I don't want my inbox full of 'chat', just important NZNOG stuff.
I better idea is for some people, myself included, to take matters off the list earlier. Sorry about that people. -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Martin Forest wrote:
I think there is way to much gossip and chatting on this mailing list. What about a new nznog-gossip list where 'chatty' people can hang out? I don't want my inbox full of 'chat', just important NZNOG stuff.
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hi all IMHO Some careful use of the start of the subject line for things ..something like : ANNOUNCE: for "announcements".. REQUEST: for "proposals one wants feedback on" ALERT: for "urgent announcement of wide importance" (or BABY ARRIVED: for "urgent announcement of supreme importance" ) is all that is needed to distinguish the more discursive postings from the more compelling material re operational matters. I confess to slight annoyance at the number of postings, but I know it won't go on for long ... we all have plenty else to do. And unless I see a different subject line then I am not trapped, as I can easily opt out by some delete by subject. I certainly haven't seen much that I find spurious. I do think this list is important space. I read without posting on Dec 31 - Jan 1 and felt this was most reassuring so thanks to those who participated then. Perhaps quoting Domainz board is "gossip" as it is in the third person. However Patrick and others are certainly able to reply here.. so I cannot see a big issue. As far as the discussion that has emerged around Domainz performance and practice .. I have found most of that relevant and interesting and would not have read it if it had been shuffled off to a "gossip" list. Depending on what temperature the air conditioning is set to in various NOCs around NZ ... maybe the number of postings will stay high for a day or so now... as the list reflects on itself or fissures :-) Hopefully only the former. <gossip> It's a hot summer day in Christchurch and the air conditioning in this office is malfunctioning </gossip> so please excuse any rough edges from me. Very infrequent contributor, Robert --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I certainly haven't seen much that I find spurious. I do think this list is important space. I read without posting on Dec 31 - Jan 1 and felt this was most reassuring so thanks to those who participated then.
Perhaps quoting Domainz board is "gossip" as it is in the third person. However Patrick and others are certainly able to reply here.. so I cannot see a big issue. As far as the discussion that has emerged around Domainz performance and practice .. I have found most of that relevant and interesting and would not have read it if it had been shuffled off to a "gossip" list.
Exactly. And due to the recent discussions, Domainz has taken steps to ensure that it complies with RFC<whatever> regarding standard admin e-mail addresses, and set up domains.net.nz so e-mails sent to there get delivered. If that's not a positive use of this list, then what is? Andrew P. Gardner Never suggest to your Mother to shop on-line for a pearl necklace. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I'm with Robert on this one. I think that with the addition of maybe a subject line prefix that the activity on NZNOG is fine. The more `chatty' stuff helps to keep everyone aware of the big picture. Dean On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 03:25:10PM +1300, Martin Forest wrote:
I think there is way to much gossip and chatting on this mailing list. What about a new nznog-gossip list where 'chatty' people can hang out? I don't want my inbox full of 'chat', just important NZNOG stuff.
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On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 01:57:01PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
The registry can leave the name in the register, but I beleive they have a responsibility not to delegate names to name servers that are known not to be configured to provide name service at delegation time.
Sure, this seems reasonable provided there is some reliable automated mechanism to communicate this information back back to Domainz.
This is easily handled if domain updates are only permitted by the current registrar. In the current model, with no clear split of Domainz' registrar and registry activities, a customer can always have more than registrar act on his behalf -- in this case, 2Day and Domainz. If the customer was obliged to deal with 2Day to make modifications to his domain (since 2Day is the active registrar for that domain) this problem presumably would not arise. However, leaving speculation about the structure of the ccTLD aside, it would seem reasonable for Domainz to run their current set of authoritative nameserver checks at de-suspension time as well as original registration (since both effectively result in a new delegation). Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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