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Jamie Baddeley

4 Feb 2015 4 Feb '15

8:21 a.m.

Folks, https://internetnz.nz/internet-research-forum I'd imagine there's some folks in the NZNOG community that might be interested in this. jamie

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Jonathan Brewer

4 Feb 4 Feb

8:23 a.m.

Thanks Jamie. I see it's: 1.) Next week, and this is this is the first I heard about it. 2.) Full of papers that should have been at NZNOG You're president of InternetNZ. What's up with comms? -JB On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Jamie Baddeley wrote:

Folks,

https://internetnz.nz/internet-research-forum

I'd imagine there's some folks in the NZNOG community that might be interested in this.

jamie

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Jordan Carter

8:31 a.m.

Jon, all: As someone who attended the Internet research session at Nethui in 2014, you should have been advised of this in November. As I just said to you on Twitter, we will check to make sure you were - and apologise to you handsomely if we cocked up. As for the papers being at nznog, the main pitch of this quite low-key event has been to university researchers, rather than technical community participants. It's a good idea to share this set of discussions with a wider community - I hope you agree. Our aim is to help develop a community of Internet researchers. If more people are interested in this than we think, particularly among nznog folks, that's outstanding - and we can adjust future efforts accordingly. For this event, there are still spaces. We can make sure we share news earlier here next time, but if people are interested, please let us know. In case it's not per aup - beeeeer. Jordan Carter CEO @InternetNZ On Wednesday, 4 February 2015, Jonathan Brewer wrote:

Thanks Jamie.

I see it's:

1.) Next week, and this is this is the first I heard about it. 2.) Full of papers that should have been at NZNOG

You're president of InternetNZ. What's up with comms?

-JB

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Jamie Baddeley javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz');> wrote:

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Folks,

https://internetnz.nz/internet-research-forum

I'd imagine there's some folks in the NZNOG community that might be interested in this.

jamie

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Jonathan Brewer

9 a.m.

Hi Jordan, On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:

As for the papers being at nznog, the main pitch of this quite low-key event has been to university researchers, rather than technical community participants. It's a good idea to share this set of discussions with a wider community - I hope you agree.

The following are very much of interest to the NZNOG community, and other NZNOG attendees from APNIC and ICANN. In fact Broadband Map was much discussed by a number of the ISPs in attendance. DNS is a mainstay of NZNOG, and Internet topology is something I personally spoke about... Jamie Horrell NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services The NZRS data service is a collection of over 100 spatial and aspatial data sets related to broadband and Internet coverage in New Zealand. The service brings together disparate data sets. The majority of data sets are geospatial and accessible via a number of web services. This presentation will introduce the following: Data sets available via the service The data collection and collation process Spatial analysis using the service Presentation of the data and analysis online The presentation will include an example of accessing the service, identifying residential broadband availability and presenting it online. Note: This data service is the base of a project we've been working, the National Broadband Map Aaron Craig NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services Jumping into a large pool of data NZRS has access to over two years and half's worth of DNS data from the .nz namespace. There are many things lurking within and we've been interested in developing ways to detect malicious or weird behavior. This presentation will talk about our successes and failures in trying to summarise and classify behavior in this dataset, and the techniques we've been using. The presentation will include discussion about: Challenges in reading the (very messy) DNS data The popularity of political party websites throughout election yearand how it changed with respect to real-life events Heuristics for identifying botnet activity – especially algorithmically-generated domains – and the success and application of these techniques Anomalies and candidate botnet behaviour that we've found lurking in .nz Anything interesting or novel we've found! Sebastian Castro NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services Mapping NZ Internet topology Although the topic of mapping Internet topology is not new, and several attempts have been done, in recent years the interest of mapping Internet at country level have appeared. Generally those attempts are driven by economic interest (understand the market inside a country). NZRS has put some effort on mapping the NZ Internet at the BGP and IP level, to understand their structure and shed some light into policy discussions in which InternetNZ is involved. This presentation covers: Methodology for mapping Internet at the BGP level: RouteViews, IX and AS relationships A demonstration of the NZ BGP Internet map Methodology for mapping Internet at the IP level. NOTE: The IP Topology Map is work in progress

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Callum Barr

9:38 a.m.

Sounds pretty NOGlike to me... Infact - I would have loved to seen them at the conference. Callum On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Jonathan Brewer wrote:

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:

...
As for the papers being at nznog, the main pitch of this quite low-key event has been to university researchers, rather than technical community participants. It's a good idea to share this set of discussions with a wider community - I hope you agree.

The following are very much of interest to the NZNOG community, and other NZNOG attendees from APNIC and ICANN. In fact Broadband Map was much discussed by a number of the ISPs in attendance. DNS is a mainstay of NZNOG, and Internet topology is something I personally spoke about...

Jamie Horrell NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

The NZRS data service is a collection of over 100 spatial and aspatial data sets related to broadband and Internet coverage in New Zealand. The service brings together disparate data sets. The majority of data sets are geospatial and accessible via a number of web services. This presentation will introduce the following:

Data sets available via the service The data collection and collation process Spatial analysis using the service Presentation of the data and analysis online The presentation will include an example of accessing the service, identifying residential broadband availability and presenting it online.

Note: This data service is the base of a project we've been working, the National Broadband Map

Aaron Craig NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

Jumping into a large pool of data

NZRS has access to over two years and half's worth of DNS data from the .nz namespace. There are many things lurking within and we've been interested in developing ways to detect malicious or weird behavior. This presentation will talk about our successes and failures in trying to summarise and classify behavior in this dataset, and the techniques we've been using.

The presentation will include discussion about:

Challenges in reading the (very messy) DNS data The popularity of political party websites throughout election yearand how it changed with respect to real-life events Heuristics for identifying botnet activity – especially algorithmically-generated domains – and the success and application of these techniques Anomalies and candidate botnet behaviour that we've found lurking in .nz Anything interesting or novel we've found! Sebastian Castro

NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

Mapping NZ Internet topology

Although the topic of mapping Internet topology is not new, and several attempts have been done, in recent years the interest of mapping Internet at country level have appeared. Generally those attempts are driven by economic interest (understand the market inside a country). NZRS has put some effort on mapping the NZ Internet at the BGP and IP level, to understand their structure and shed some light into policy discussions in which InternetNZ is involved.

This presentation covers:

Methodology for mapping Internet at the BGP level: RouteViews, IX and AS relationships A demonstration of the NZ BGP Internet map Methodology for mapping Internet at the IP level. NOTE: The IP Topology Map is work in progress

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Sebastian Castro

7:55 p.m.

Hi NZNOG community: Some of you know me, I'm Sebastian Castro, manager for the technical research group at NZRS. On 4/02/15 10:38 pm, Callum Barr wrote:

Sounds pretty NOGlike to me...

Infact - I would have loved to seen them at the conference.

The main reason why that material wasn't submitted for consideration to NZNOG is because it didn't exist or it wasn't ready by the call for papers deadline, which was October 20th. Specifically, the BGP Map was in final stages of development, the DNS data analysis didn't exist because it is work from one of our Summer Interns (Aaron Craig), and the Data Service is an idea we've been maturing in the last 2-3 months as part of a twist in the development of the National Broadband Map. Whenever has been possible or relevant, NZRS has presented their work at NZNOG and we regularly attend or get involved at different capacities, like assisting with DNSSEC workshop the past two years. Kind Regards,

Callum

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Jonathan Brewer mailto:jon.brewer(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jordan,

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Jordan Carter mailto:jordan(a)internetnz.net.nz> wrote:

As for the papers being at nznog, the main pitch of this quite low-key event has been to university researchers, rather than technical community participants. It's a good idea to share this set of discussions with a wider community - I hope you agree.

The following are very much of interest to the NZNOG community, and other NZNOG attendees from APNIC and ICANN. In fact Broadband Map was much discussed by a number of the ISPs in attendance. DNS is a mainstay of NZNOG, and Internet topology is something I personally spoke about...

Jamie Horrell NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

The NZRS data service is a collection of over 100 spatial and aspatial data sets related to broadband and Internet coverage in New Zealand. The service brings together disparate data sets. The majority of data sets are geospatial and accessible via a number of web services. This presentation will introduce the following:

Data sets available via the service The data collection and collation process Spatial analysis using the service Presentation of the data and analysis online The presentation will include an example of accessing the service, identifying residential broadband availability and presenting it online.

Note: This data service is the base of a project we've been working, the National Broadband Map

Aaron Craig NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

Jumping into a large pool of data

NZRS has access to over two years and half's worth of DNS data from the .nz namespace. There are many things lurking within and we've been interested in developing ways to detect malicious or weird behavior. This presentation will talk about our successes and failures in trying to summarise and classify behavior in this dataset, and the techniques we've been using.

The presentation will include discussion about:

Challenges in reading the (very messy) DNS data The popularity of political party websites throughout election yearand how it changed with respect to real-life events Heuristics for identifying botnet activity – especially algorithmically-generated domains – and the success and application of these techniques Anomalies and candidate botnet behaviour that we've found lurking in .nz Anything interesting or novel we've found! Sebastian Castro

NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

Mapping NZ Internet topology

Although the topic of mapping Internet topology is not new, and several attempts have been done, in recent years the interest of mapping Internet at country level have appeared. Generally those attempts are driven by economic interest (understand the market inside a country). NZRS has put some effort on mapping the NZ Internet at the BGP and IP level, to understand their structure and shed some light into policy discussions in which InternetNZ is involved.

This presentation covers:

Methodology for mapping Internet at the BGP level: RouteViews, IX and AS relationships A demonstration of the NZ BGP Internet map Methodology for mapping Internet at the IP level. NOTE: The IP Topology Map is work in progress

_______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

-- Callum Barr me(a)callumb.com mailto:me(a)callumb.com

_______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Joe Abley

8:42 p.m.

On 4 Feb 2015, at 14:55, Sebastian Castro wrote:

The main reason why that material wasn't submitted for consideration to NZNOG is because it didn't exist or it wasn't ready by the call for papers deadline, which was October 20th.

Whatever happened, I think the programme looks great. If I had known about it in advance (by which I mean if I had been paying attention properly) I might even have been able to wrangle travel budget to come for both events, a decision that surely would have had nothing to do with the amount of snow I have to deal with on a daily basis and my tremendous yearning for actual espresso made by people who know what they are doing. I'd love to see a research day attached to a future NZNOG, which could always be organised separately from the main sessions if that makes things like CFP deadlines easier to align. Getting operators and researchers in the same bar^Wroom is rarely ever a waste of time, in my opinion. The technical team at NZRS has really become very impressive, and it's great to see the intersection of real operations and data analytics coming together like this. Joe

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Dean Pemberton

11:03 p.m.

Sebastian, That's a shame. Just to clarify from an APRICOT Programme committee point of view. We encourage people who think they have something worth presenting that they should submit an abstract within the CFP period. The authors can then work with the programme committee as the material becomes available. It seems reasonable to assume that an abstract for some of your research would have been available in October. We find thats a great way to ensure that material gets presented. Dean On Thursday, 5 February 2015, Sebastian Castro wrote:

Hi NZNOG community:

Some of you know me, I'm Sebastian Castro, manager for the technical research group at NZRS.

On 4/02/15 10:38 pm, Callum Barr wrote:

...
Sounds pretty NOGlike to me...

Infact - I would have loved to seen them at the conference.

The main reason why that material wasn't submitted for consideration to NZNOG is because it didn't exist or it wasn't ready by the call for papers deadline, which was October 20th. Specifically, the BGP Map was in final stages of development, the DNS data analysis didn't exist because it is work from one of our Summer Interns (Aaron Craig), and the Data Service is an idea we've been maturing in the last 2-3 months as part of a twist in the development of the National Broadband Map.

Whenever has been possible or relevant, NZRS has presented their work at NZNOG and we regularly attend or get involved at different capacities, like assisting with DNSSEC workshop the past two years.

Kind Regards,

...
Callum

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Hi Jordan,

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Jordan Carter javascript:; javascript:;>> wrote:

As for the papers being at nznog, the main pitch of this quite low-key event has been to university researchers, rather than technical community participants. It's a good idea to share this set of discussions with a wider community - I hope you agree.

The following are very much of interest to the NZNOG community, and other NZNOG attendees from APNIC and ICANN. In fact Broadband Map was much discussed by a number of the ISPs in attendance. DNS is a mainstay of NZNOG, and Internet topology is something I personally spoke about...

Jamie Horrell NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

The NZRS data service is a collection of over 100 spatial and aspatial data sets related to broadband and Internet coverage in New Zealand. The service brings together disparate data sets. The majority of data sets are geospatial and accessible via a number of web services. This presentation will introduce the following:

Data sets available via the service The data collection and collation process Spatial analysis using the service Presentation of the data and analysis online The presentation will include an example of accessing the service, identifying residential broadband availability and presenting it online.

Note: This data service is the base of a project we've been working, the National Broadband Map

Aaron Craig NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

Jumping into a large pool of data

NZRS has access to over two years and half's worth of DNS data from the .nz namespace. There are many things lurking within and we've been interested in developing ways to detect malicious or weird behavior. This presentation will talk about our successes and failures in trying to summarise and classify behavior in this dataset, and the techniques we've been using.

The presentation will include discussion about:

Challenges in reading the (very messy) DNS data The popularity of political party websites throughout election yearand how it changed with respect to real-life events Heuristics for identifying botnet activity – especially algorithmically-generated domains – and the success and application of these techniques Anomalies and candidate botnet behaviour that we've found lurking in .nz Anything interesting or novel we've found! Sebastian Castro

NZRS- New Zealand Registry Services

Mapping NZ Internet topology

Although the topic of mapping Internet topology is not new, and several attempts have been done, in recent years the interest of mapping Internet at country level have appeared. Generally those attempts are driven by economic interest (understand the market inside a country). NZRS has put some effort on mapping the NZ Internet at the BGP and IP level, to understand their structure and shed some light into policy discussions in which InternetNZ is involved.

This presentation covers:

Methodology for mapping Internet at the BGP level: RouteViews, IX and AS relationships A demonstration of the NZ BGP Internet map Methodology for mapping Internet at the IP level. NOTE: The IP Topology Map is work in progress

_______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz javascript:; javascript:;> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

-- Callum Barr me(a)callumb.com javascript:; javascript:;>

_______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz javascript:; http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

-- Sebastian Castro Technical Research Manager .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 495 2337 mobile: +64 21 400535 _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz javascript:; http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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