Well wellington wasn't so dead afterall. Turns out that all we needed as a 1.5 metre tall whip antenna bolted to the top of Simon Blakes car. Yes we have photos I'll get them developed when I get back to Oz. Dean --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 10:20 AM +1200 4/8/01, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Well wellington wasn't so dead afterall.
You just have to know the right people to get into the good clubs.
Turns out that all we needed as a 1.5 metre tall whip antenna bolted to the top of Simon Blakes car.
Yes we have photos
I'll get them developed when I get back to Oz.
The return of the CB generation. What's your handle, good buddy? -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:28:57PM -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
The return of the CB generation.
What's your handle, good buddy?
I can't remember if it's Smokey or the Bandit =) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 10:36 AM +1200 4/8/01, Dean Pemberton wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:28:57PM -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
The return of the CB generation.
What's your handle, good buddy?
I can't remember if it's Smokey or the Bandit =)
Just as long as you didn't have a sticker across the top of the windscreen with "DEAN" and "SIMON" on it. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:48:28PM -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
Just as long as you didn't have a sticker across the top of the windscreen with "DEAN" and "SIMON" on it.
Nah man - what do you think we are. We did have a flag and a pair of fluffy dice on the top of the whip though. And we made sure that we had a wing on the back as high as the antenna. Just to give us more down force. We also put a sticker on the back saying "Type R" because that adds about 5dbi to the antenna. We also suspect that the soft toys and car shaped air fresheners that we had attached to the dash added some more power to the whole operation. Next time we will have to do a bad job of lowering the car and see if that helps. =)
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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At 10:55 AM 8/4/2001 +1200, Dean Pemberton wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:48:28PM -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
Just as long as you didn't have a sticker across the top of the windscreen with "DEAN" and "SIMON" on it.
I can vouch for some of this. I gave Si and Dean a ride home. Simple enough, its on my way. So picture the front of my van, 3 largish fellows, Deans laptop (open and running of course), GPS on the dash, Si with the omni out the window, 25MW load on my cigarette lighter plug and the lappy going BOING everytime we hit a WLAN. Next time I put them in the back...... On a serious note external access to these LANS is so easy. Apart from sniffing LANS across the harbour, I've found that they're wide open. Best example (location secret). I was asked to look into a WLAN that was slow. After doing the usual and finding the problem (hardware limited to 800k) I decided to sniff. Sitting in the van down the road, with only a Lucent card (no ext aerial), I could get an IP and wander round the LAN. So then I tried Freebase (the Apple manager) (it wasn't Apple kit) and the usual password and presto I'm managing their box. The customer was pleased I could tell them their password - they had forgotten. These things are very cool, but just leave you wide open for traffic losses. richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 11:32 AM +1200 4/8/01, Richard Naylor wrote:
I can vouch for some of this. I gave Si and Dean a ride home. Simple enough, its on my way. So picture the front of my van, 3 largish fellows, Deans laptop (open and running of course), GPS on the dash, Si with the omni out the window, 25MW load on my cigarette lighter plug and the lappy going BOING
Man that's some alternator you've got on that vehicle! A couple more of those and who cares about the hydro lakes. Where do you hide the 'Mr Fusion' kit? -- Michael Newbery Technical Specialist TelstraSaturn Limited Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile: +64-29-939 5102 Fax: +64-4-922 8401 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 3:48 PM +1200 6/8/01, Michael Newbery wrote:
Si with the omni out the window, 25MW load on my cigarette lighter plug and the lappy going BOING
Man that's some alternator you've got on that vehicle!
I wanna know how thick the wire is going to the cigarette lighter socket. That's a shit-load of amps at 13.8VDC -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Most cig lighter devices arent rated beyond 10 amps draw... And in a lot of cases drawing high current gets stalled because the impedence in the ignition line is too high... At 23:03 5/08/2001 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
At 3:48 PM +1200 6/8/01, Michael Newbery wrote:
Si with the omni out the window, 25MW load on my cigarette lighter plug and the lappy going BOING
Man that's some alternator you've got on that vehicle!
I wanna know how thick the wire is going to the cigarette lighter socket. That's a shit-load of amps at 13.8VDC
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At 4:41 PM +1200 6/8/01, Mark Foster wrote:
Most cig lighter devices arent rated beyond 10 amps draw...
And in a lot of cases drawing high current gets stalled because the impedence in the ignition line is too high...
At 23:03 5/08/2001 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
At 3:48 PM +1200 6/8/01, Michael Newbery wrote:
Si with the omni out the window, 25MW load on my cigarette lighter plug and the lappy going BOING
Man that's some alternator you've got on that vehicle!
I wanna know how thick the wire is going to the cigarette lighter socket. That's a shit-load of amps at 13.8VDC
Someone didn't get the joke, methinks. We're talking 1.8 MILLION amps running through that cigarette lighter socket. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 11:53 PM 8/5/2001 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
At 4:41 PM +1200 6/8/01, Mark Foster wrote:
Most cig lighter devices arent rated beyond 10 amps draw...
And in a lot of cases drawing high current gets stalled because the impedence in the ignition line is too high...
At 23:03 5/08/2001 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote:
At 3:48 PM +1200 6/8/01, Michael Newbery wrote:
Si with the omni out the window, 25MW load on my cigarette lighter plug and the lappy going BOING
Man that's some alternator you've got on that vehicle!
I wanna know how thick the wire is going to the cigarette lighter socket. That's a shit-load of amps at 13.8VDC
Someone didn't get the joke, methinks. Yea - made it worthwhile didn't it ;-)
We're talking 1.8 MILLION amps running through that cigarette lighter socket. I actually have a 500 amp shunt on the battery for the batt capacity meter and keep the engine running. Other vans carry generators. I use an inverter for 230 on the road but it won't boil a jug. It complained when I used the
Confession time - I actually melted the fuse holder that feeds the lights on the roof of my van TWICE. :-( Had to a serious wiring upgrade last week end. The problem is that the road rules have tightened up for people who work on the streets (no I'm not a "street worker", but it probably pays better). So I started off with a flashing light. People just don't see them, so I added a second - they still don't see them. Then I added floodlights which makes night work easier up poles. Trouble is all up you're pulling 250 watts of lights - and the whole fuse carrier just melts. Just imagine it, nice quiet night in Wgtn. (yer right) Go climb pole with flashers and floodlights (being nice and safe). Get to top of pole and poof out go all the lights - bugger ! Have to climb down thru the trolley wires and round teh Saturn cables in the dark. power drill last week. Paul has a geny so his van is called Cafe La Fiber. richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Nah man - what do you think we are.
We did have a flag and a pair of fluffy dice on the top of the whip
Dean Pemberton wrote: though.
And we made sure that we had a wing on the back as high as the antenna. Just to give us more down force. We also put a sticker on the back saying "Type R" because that adds about 5dbi to the antenna. We also suspect that the soft toys and car shaped air fresheners that we had attached to the dash added some more power to the whole operation. Next time we will have to do a bad job of lowering the car and see if that helps.
What happens when the aerial hits the trolley bus wires? Any adverse effect on the laptop? What happens when the aerial hits the firbre optic suspended cables, does it slice straight through? What improvements will be made to V2 to ensure 100% success? Keith Davidson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 03:50:20PM +1200, Keith Davidson wrote:
What happens when the aerial hits the trolley bus wires? Any adverse effect on the laptop? What happens when the aerial hits the firbre optic suspended cables, does it slice straight through? What improvements will be made to V2 to ensure 100% success?
Well I admit that was my biggest worry. But Si and Sai assured me that it was not as large as a bus. Dean --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: Well I admit that was my biggest worry. But Si and Sai :: assured me that it was not as large as a bus. Size doesn't matter, Dean. ;===) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Hehe =) Heres what i dug up. Some real classy hackers at work in a car parking building. http://www.ro0t.com/~mr804/802.11hacking/ Also what is the latency and packet loss like across a 802.11 connection with it working at 11/2/1Mbit? some traces or pings are welcome. =) Cheers, Taylor
:: Well I admit that was my biggest worry. But Si and Sai :: assured me that it was not as large as a bus.
Size doesn't matter, Dean.
;===)
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On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 09:08:31PM +1200, Taylor Wilkins wrote:
Also what is the latency and packet loss like across a 802.11 connection with it working at 11/2/1Mbit? some traces or pings are welcome. =)
It depends on if you are running WEP or not. With the lucent cards I have never seen faster than 6M (4M with wep) The latency is about 20ms from memory, but I might be way off on that one --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Dean Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 09:08:31PM +1200, Taylor Wilkins wrote:
Also what is the latency and packet loss like across a 802.11 connection with it working at 11/2/1Mbit? some traces or pings are welcome. =)
It depends on if you are running WEP or not.
With the lucent cards I have never seen faster than 6M (4M with wep)
The latency is about 20ms from memory, but I might be way off on that one ---------
The lacency has alot to do with the Distance between points and especially how much cable/type of cable you have to the Antenna. With 1-4Km distances you can get around 2-4ms between points easily. If you are getting 20ms there is something wrong :-) Speed.. Maybe 5M at most. This is about a 1.5Km link # ping 192.168.123.254 PING 192.168.123.254 (192.168.123.254): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=2.2 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: The lacency has alot to do with the Distance between points and :: especially how much cable/type of cable you have to the Antenna. With :: 1-4Km distances you can get around 2-4ms between points :: easily. If you :: are getting 20ms there is something wrong :-) Speed.. Maybe :: 5M at most. :: :: This is about a 1.5Km link :: :: # ping 192.168.123.254 :: PING 192.168.123.254 (192.168.123.254): 56 data bytes :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=2.2 ms :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms :: 64 bytes from 192.168.123.254: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=2.1 ms Doesn't the encryption add overhead/latency, as Dean seemed to say? -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 11:31:13AM +1200, Craig Whitmore wrote:
Dean Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 09:08:31PM +1200, Taylor Wilkins wrote:
Also what is the latency and packet loss like across a 802.11 connection with it working at 11/2/1Mbit? some traces or pings are welcome. =)
It depends on if you are running WEP or not.
With the lucent cards I have never seen faster than 6M (4M with wep)
The latency is about 20ms from memory, but I might be way off on that one ---------
The lacency has alot to do with the Distance between points and especially how much cable/type of cable you have to the Antenna. With 1-4Km distances you can get around 2-4ms between points easily. If you are getting 20ms there is something wrong :-) Speed.. Maybe 5M at most.
Yeah I'll have to check. Unfortunatly one half of my wireless gear is with me in Wellington and the other half is in North sydney =) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Andy Gardner wrote:
Just as long as you didn't have a sticker across the top of the windscreen with "DEAN" and "SIMON" on it.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
Hmmm... wonder if it was Dean or Simon's fuzzy "dice" hanging from the rear-view mirror? -- Regards, Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 11:04 AM +1200 4/8/01, Juha Saarinen wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Andy Gardner wrote:
Just as long as you didn't have a sticker across the top of the windscreen with "DEAN" and "SIMON" on it.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
Hmmm... wonder if it was Dean or Simon's fuzzy "dice" hanging from the rear-view mirror?
That's easy to answer. How fuzzy were they? Dean told me he shaved his. Something to do with less restrictive radio paths, I believe. "Yeah, uh-huh, whatever you say, Dean". -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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