Can anyone with contacts in the US core give some more insight on this article? FBI agents arrived at core noderooms the other day with Carnivore units and offered to pay for links http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46747,00.html --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: Can anyone with contacts in the US core give some more :: insight on this article? Doubt it. It wouldn't be very wise under the present circumstances. :: FBI agents arrived at core noderooms the other day with :: Carnivore units and offered to pay for links :: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46747,00.html Hmmm... a Windows computer with a removable hard drive? And they put that on heavily utilised Internet backbone? Is that really how it works? Is the Arse-End of the Internet (NZ) being monitored in a similar fashion? -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:11:00PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote:
Hmmm... a Windows computer with a removable hard drive?
And they put that on heavily utilised Internet backbone? Is that really how it works?
An FBI agent demonstrated that at NANOG 21 in DC a while back. That was how it worked then, although the agent who gave the presentation said they had other versions in the pipeline. Most of their effort seemed to have gone into building a filter front-end that you could configure directly from a court order; he went to some pains to indicate how the system was designed to let agents view only traffic that the court said you could view, and nothing else. Of course, it would have been surprising if there was any different emphasis. Innuendo on the NANOG list seems to suggest that ISPs playing host to such devices are not permitted to reveal their presence, and that asking the question "does anybody have these things installed" is unlikely to yield useful answers. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: An FBI agent demonstrated that at NANOG 21 in DC a while back. That :: was how it worked then, although the agent who gave the presentation :: said they had other versions in the pipeline. Yes, bah gumm, even an Open Sores version! #ping carnivore.sourceforge.net Translating "carnivore.sourceforge.net"...domain server (203.96.152.4) [OK] Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 216.136.171.201, timeout is 2 seconds: !!!!! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 176/180/188 ms :: Most of their effort seemed to have gone into building a filter :: front-end that you could configure directly from a court order; he :: went to some pains to indicate how the system was designed to let :: agents view only traffic that the court said you could view, and :: nothing else. I would love to see a screenshot of the "court order GUI". Tort and malfeasance PNGs, please! -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Seeing something on Havoc a while back about the "Government" taping all comminications from/to NZ and about that large round sphere which is used for something (what for I have no idea) The question is does anyone know if New Zealand Internet Traffic is being monitored at all? (Except for "Internet Provider Purposes")?? Can anyone from Telecom/Clear/Telstra etc comment on, if government (or alike) Monitoring is being done with their knowledge? Thanks Craig Whitmore New Zea --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:58:13PM +1200, Dean Pemberton wrote: Can anyone with contacts in the US core give some more insight on this article? FBI agents arrived at core noderooms the other day with Carnivore units and offered to pay for links http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46747,00.html Anyone involved cannot comment on such things, doing so would incure the wrath of the FBI which few people over hear would be willing to do right now. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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