Hello from Australia, This is my first post to this list, just subscribed - looks interesting! Figured this was the most obvious place to start asking questions ... The organisation I work for has just made some aquisitions in NZ. We have taken over (or about to) an existing network running on the Telecom PON service. I was wondering - is there a global register of network providers in NZ? Currently we are sticking with Telecom as its already implemented, but I would like to research further out and see what other options there are. We have a guide for AUS, http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ Though not completely concise its an excellent start. I'm finding already the Telecom PON service - even the upgraded POM - quite restrictive. I cannot SNMP query any routers (we do all our own stats) nor, can I manage these myself (we also managed all our own gear). DSL in NZ seems quite interesting - up to 8Mbit/s according to the Xtra website? I take it this is not gaureenteed and on distance basis as well. I notice that you utilise full GDMT here - not GDMT.Lite as we do. Without moving off the Telstra DSLAMs I am lucky if I can get 1.5Mbit/s downstream and 256k up. Very interested to know more about providers, carriers, etc. over there in NZ - hopefully might be able to head over in the near future too! Cheers, Ev-
Hi, Evan, since nobody has piped in, I'll say hello. For a list of the suppliers you could look at the local peering exchanges. You probably got the NZNOG summrary when you joined, otherwise I enclose a copy.
DSL in NZ seems quite interesting - up to 8Mbit/s according to the Xtra website? I take it this is not gaureenteed and on distance basis as well. I notice that you utilise full GDMT here - not GDMT.Lite as we do. Without moving off the Telstra DSLAMs I am lucky if I can get 1.5Mbit/s downstream and 256k up.
Yes, well... DSL in NZ can do 8Mb physically, but after about 5 minutes use you will start handing out bit fat wads of cash which is why most consumers stick to the flatrate 128KB/s. Basically whenever you think Telecom you can substitute Oz Telstra, they are held in the same regard. The Auckland peering exchange http://www.ape.net.nz/ The Wellington peering exchange http://www.wix.net.nz/ The probably out of date NOC list. http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Senior Software Engineer Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 Clearfield Software Ltd Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Mob (+64-21) 640 779 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 2 January 2004 2:37 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. 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On 21 Sep 2004, at 16:56, Juha Saarinen wrote:
Joe Abley wrote:
... the important difference being that in Australia they have a regulator.
Is that the same regulator whose most notable effort was the creation of "The Gang of Four" peering club?
I don't know if that's their most notable effort (perhaps you mean infamous). When comparing the strategies of an incumbent telco, however, the presence or absense of a regulator makes a big difference. Joe
Hi, Thanks to all for responses - some quite interesting ;) I'll start some investigations now, you have all been quite helpful. I will keep my eye on this list, who knows - I may be useful for something in here. Cheers, Ev- On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:55:06 +1200, jfp <jfp(a)clearfield.com> wrote:
Hi, Evan, since nobody has piped in, I'll say hello.
For a list of the suppliers you could look at the local peering exchanges. You probably got the NZNOG summrary when you joined, otherwise I enclose a copy.
DSL in NZ seems quite interesting - up to 8Mbit/s according to the Xtra website? I take it this is not gaureenteed and on distance basis as well. I notice that you utilise full GDMT here - not GDMT.Lite as we do. Without moving off the Telstra DSLAMs I am lucky if I can get 1.5Mbit/s downstream and 256k up.
Yes, well...
DSL in NZ can do 8Mb physically, but after about 5 minutes use you will start handing out bit fat wads of cash which is why most consumers stick to the flatrate 128KB/s.
Basically whenever you think Telecom you can substitute Oz Telstra, they are held in the same regard.
The Auckland peering exchange http://www.ape.net.nz/
The Wellington peering exchange http://www.wix.net.nz/
The probably out of date NOC list. http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html
jfp.
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-----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 2 January 2004 2:37 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join.
A face-to-face gathering is to take place in Hamilton on January 28 to 30, hosted by the WAND group. That's THIS MONTH. See http://www.nznog.org/ for details. Register NOW if you're planning to attend.
Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland.
Operators' Contact List
See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers.
Internet Exchanges
See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. See http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the Wellington Internet Exchange. And possibly http://www.citylink.co.nz/information/news/nr1068413489.html .
About This Mailing List
This list has around six hundred addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them.
The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Alcatel NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content.
NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy
The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines.
1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues.
2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate.
3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate.
4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged.
5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable.
6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable.
7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged.
8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged.
9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list.
10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list.
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One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz .
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