On 03/12/2014 11:58, Jamie Baddeley wrote:

of interest to folks?

Brian - I saw your name mentioned in dispatches - would be keen to get your perspective as an active Kiwi IETF'er.

Yes, the results were presented at the last IETF and raised some interest. I didn't hear anybody say "We don't want no stinkin' input from operators". The real question in my mind is how can operators, who are busy folk with day-to-day concerns, feed effective input into the standards process without being drowned out by vendor engineers, who have a somewhat different motivation and work on a different timescale. The sad fact is that input to the IETF today might produce text in an RFC in two years and impact shipping product two years later. But even so, input from the operations front line seems essential to me. Might make an interesting panel topic in Rotorua, if there's any agenda time. Brian

cheers

jamie ---------- Forwarded message ----------

*From: *Chris Grundemann *Subject: **Operators and the IETF - Thank You and Next Steps* *Date: *3 December 2014 11:14:58 am NZDT *To: *DL Deploy360 Team

Hello!

Thanks again for completing the Internet Society’s “Operators and the IETF http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/projects/operators-and-the-ietf/” survey!

For those of you who are interested, this message provides some follow up information. I want to make sure that you’re all aware of what we’ve done with the data we collected, what we plan to do next, and how you can get (or stay) involved should you want to.

We collected, analyzed, and synthesized all of the responses collected in the first 6 months of 2014. This is currently published in an IETF Internet-Draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-opsawg-operators-ietfaft-opsawg-operators-... . The results were further condensed into a presentation that was given during the OpsAWG meeting at IETF 91. You can view the video http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF91_OPSAWG&chapter=chapter_0 (the Operators and the IETF bit starts at about 01:07:00) and check out the slides http://www.slideshare.net/Deploy360/operators-ietf-ietf91 if you like.

For more information on what all happened in relation to this effort during the most recent IETF meeting, check out this blog post http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2014/11/operators-and-the-ietf... .

As for next steps, we have a couple things in mind. Several of us are going to try to start hosting an “IETF help desk” at the major NOG/NOF meetings around the world. First up to try are NANOG 63, APRICOT 2014, and RIPE 70. This desk will have an IETF banner on it and be manned by volunteers with IETF clue. The idea is to answer folks’ questions on the spot, providing easier access to the IETF process for everyone.

The helpdesk and all other future efforts to bring these two communities closer together and help ensure that operational realities inform the development of key technologies will be (at least initially) discussed on a new mailing list:

http://snozzages.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/synergy

I highly encourage anyone receiving this message to sign up, if you’d like to be involved in this continuing discussion. Either way, thank you for your participation thus far!

Cheers, ~Chris

-- Chris Grundemann Director, Deployment & Operationalization Internet Society (ISOC)

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