Telecom/Xtra/Yahoo accepting mail from new mail servers
Hi Inspire Net rolled out a new customer outbounding smtp server last Friday. If anyone wishes to add us to any trusted lists then please add the IP address of 203.114.168.20. All user emails from Inspire Net will likely come from that IP from now on. Since then, we've had many issues getting emails accepted for delivery to Xtra/Yahoo. For long periods of time they will defer all emails, then accept a few, and then go back to deferring all emails. The help page in question is http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3434&impressions=true . The answer seems to be to wait 4 hours. Which we've done. A lot. I've contacted postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz about this issue and had no response. For now, to keep our users happy, we're occasionally manually delivering all emails to Xtra via our old, trusted SMTP server, but this is less than ideal. We need our new SMTP server to be trusted. My questions are: -Does any one have any advice to give based on past experience on how long this may last, or how to get our smtp server trusted? -Does anyone from Telecom want to contact me about this issue? Thanks in advance for any help given. Cheers Dave
Hi, Do you have DKIM setup on the domain ? And SPF ? If not, try that Cheers, Pieter On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Dave Mill wrote:
Hi Inspire Net rolled out a new customer outbounding smtp server last Friday. If anyone wishes to add us to any trusted lists then please add the IP address of 203.114.168.20. All user emails from Inspire Net will likely come from that IP from now on.
Since then, we've had many issues getting emails accepted for delivery to Xtra/Yahoo. For long periods of time they will defer all emails, then accept a few, and then go back to deferring all emails.
The help page in question is http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3434&impressions=true .
The answer seems to be to wait 4 hours. Which we've done. A lot.
I've contacted postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz about this issue and had no response. For now, to keep our users happy, we're occasionally manually delivering all emails to Xtra via our old, trusted SMTP server, but this is less than ideal. We need our new SMTP server to be trusted.
My questions are:
-Does any one have any advice to give based on past experience on how long this may last, or how to get our smtp server trusted? -Does anyone from Telecom want to contact me about this issue?
Thanks in advance for any help given.
Cheers Dave
Probably need SPF, SenderID, DomainKeys and DKIM setup to be safe. A good quick test is to send an e-mail (via the new smtp server) to: check-auth(a)verifier.port25.com This will give you a reply email with a detailed breakdown of what's missing. On 28/03/2012 3:33 p.m., Pieter De Wit wrote:
Hi,
Do you have DKIM setup on the domain ? And SPF ? If not, try that
Cheers,
Pieter
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Dave Mill wrote:
Hi Inspire Net rolled out a new customer outbounding smtp server last Friday. If anyone wishes to add us to any trusted lists then please add the IP address of 203.114.168.20. All user emails from Inspire Net will likely come from that IP from now on.
Since then, we've had many issues getting emails accepted for delivery to Xtra/Yahoo. For long periods of time they will defer all emails, then accept a few, and then go back to deferring all emails.
The help page in question is http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3434&impressions=true .
The answer seems to be to wait 4 hours. Which we've done. A lot.
I've contacted postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz about this issue and had no response. For now, to keep our users happy, we're occasionally manually delivering all emails to Xtra via our old, trusted SMTP server, but this is less than ideal. We need our new SMTP server to be trusted.
My questions are:
-Does any one have any advice to give based on past experience on how long this may last, or how to get our smtp server trusted? -Does anyone from Telecom want to contact me about this issue?
Thanks in advance for any help given.
Cheers Dave
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Probably need SPF, SenderID, DomainKeys and DKIM setup to be safe.
As this is an outgoing mail server for an ISP, 1000's of domains's could come from it depending on how many email domains they host. Getting every domain to add SFP/SenderID records and DKIM records in the DNS and for the ISP to sign every email with a different DKIM keys etc would be virtually impossible. The Standard Yahoo do have a "feedback loop" (and you have to have DKIM setup) but its based on a domain name so useless in getting an IP Address accepted. So on : http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?locale=en_AU&y=PROD_MAIL&page=content&id=SLN3327 It says to go to: https://io.help.yahoo.com/contact/index?locale=en_US&y=PROD_MAIL&page=contact For IP Address feedback loop for ISPs. What options to choose.. I would just guess..
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Craig Whitmore
Probably need SPF, SenderID, DomainKeys and DKIM setup to be safe.
As this is an outgoing mail server for an ISP, 1000's of domains's could come from it depending on how many email domains they host. Getting every domain to add SFP/SenderID records and DKIM records in the DNS and for the ISP to sign every email with a different DKIM keys etc would be virtually impossible.
Craig's really hit the nail on the head here. Buts its even worse than what Craig says. Just because we host say 1000 domains for incoming mail doesn't mean that only 1000 domains outbound through us. A customer with a domain name that is with another company for MX may still want to outbound mails from that domain through our SMTP server. SPF records and DKIM records would be needed for many thousands of domain names. In saying that, for the past 12 hours we've had no issues with having emails accepted by Yahoo/Xtra. mx1 and mx2 are both accepting emails. In case this is handy to anyone else here is what we have done to remedy this issue (I'll list in order of likelihood in my opinion): -We did nothing but wait another day - during this time mx2 started to trust us. -I filled out this form - http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/bulkv2.html - this is designed for "bulk mail-out senders" (spammers) to use, but it may have helped. We've received no acknowledgement from filling out this form other than the initial automated one. -As mentioned we emailed postmaster(a)xtra a few days ago. I've received no response to this email but maybe its been silently dealt with. -Potentially someone lurking on NZNOG got this issue fixed for us. So anyway. Thanks for all of the responses. I'm half expecting this issue to come back, but for now this is the best situation we've had over the past 6 days. Cheers Dave
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Dave Mill
Since then, we've had many issues getting emails accepted for delivery to Xtra/Yahoo. For long periods of time they will defer all emails, then accept a few, and then go back to deferring all emails.
The answer seems to be to wait 4 hours. Which we've done. A lot.
Yup. Get used to it - there's nothing you can do about it, and it's going to go on for somewhere between a few days and several weeks depending on your volume of mail, the phase of the moon, and probably at least one or two other factors... I've had the same problems in the past with when moving mail servers for even some of the largest companies in the world - despite significant trying at multiple levels, Yahoo seem completely uninterested in doing anything. SPF and/or DKIM might help, or they might not (there's no real proof either way). The best option we've found is to gradually move mail over to the new servers overs a period of a several weeks. You'll still see delays, but the volume of mail impacted by them should be smaller, and that mail should get through faster (due to smaller back-ups). After somewhere between 1-4 weeks things will start to flow normally. (Or at least, as "normal" as it gets for mail to Yahoo). Scott
We set the new server to use the old server as a smtp fallback relay. Left it like that for a few weeks until we saw traffic drop off on the old server. Cheers Jodi -- Jodi Thomson Network & Systems Engineer Ph +64-6-8355800 Fax +64-6-8355811 Mob +64-21-903712 E-Mail jodi(a)team.waspnet.co.nz www.waspnet.co.nz From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Mill Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012 2:46 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Telecom/Xtra/Yahoo accepting mail from new mail servers Hi Inspire Net rolled out a new customer outbounding smtp server last Friday. If anyone wishes to add us to any trusted lists then please add the IP address of 203.114.168.20. All user emails from Inspire Net will likely come from that IP from now on. Since then, we've had many issues getting emails accepted for delivery to Xtra/Yahoo. For long periods of time they will defer all emails, then accept a few, and then go back to deferring all emails. The help page in question is http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3434&impressions=true . The answer seems to be to wait 4 hours. Which we've done. A lot. I've contacted postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz about this issue and had no response. For now, to keep our users happy, we're occasionally manually delivering all emails to Xtra via our old, trusted SMTP server, but this is less than ideal. We need our new SMTP server to be trusted. My questions are: -Does any one have any advice to give based on past experience on how long this may last, or how to get our smtp server trusted? -Does anyone from Telecom want to contact me about this issue? Thanks in advance for any help given. Cheers Dave
Yeah. That's similar to what I'm currently doing. Once our deferred queue
to Xtra gets too high bump it to the old outbounder and flush the queue.
The issue is I want Yahoo to start trusting our new outbounder and each
time I use the old one I can't really see it helping the situation.
Interestingly I now see that Yahoo's mx1 now seems to completely trust us
and has for days. Whilst mx2 really hates us and defers emails most of the
time.
Thanks for all the on and off list replies so far!
Cheers
Dave
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jodi
We set the new server to use the old server as a smtp fallback relay. Left it like that for a few weeks until we saw traffic drop off on the old server.
Cheers Jodi
-- Jodi Thomson Network & Systems Engineer
Ph +64-6-8355800 Fax +64-6-8355811 Mob +64-21-903712 E-Mail jodi(a)team.waspnet.co.nz www.waspnet.co.nz
From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Mill Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012 2:46 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Telecom/Xtra/Yahoo accepting mail from new mail servers
Hi
Inspire Net rolled out a new customer outbounding smtp server last Friday. If anyone wishes to add us to any trusted lists then please add the IP address of 203.114.168.20. All user emails from Inspire Net will likely come from that IP from now on.
Since then, we've had many issues getting emails accepted for delivery to Xtra/Yahoo. For long periods of time they will defer all emails, then accept a few, and then go back to deferring all emails.
The help page in question is http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_MAIL_ML&locale=en_US&id=SLN3434&impressions=true .
The answer seems to be to wait 4 hours. Which we've done. A lot.
I've contacted postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz about this issue and had no response. For now, to keep our users happy, we're occasionally manually delivering all emails to Xtra via our old, trusted SMTP server, but this is less than ideal. We need our new SMTP server to be trusted.
My questions are:
-Does any one have any advice to give based on past experience on how long this may last, or how to get our smtp server trusted? -Does anyone from Telecom want to contact me about this issue?
Thanks in advance for any help given.
Cheers Dave
participants (6)
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Craig Whitmore
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Dave Mill
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Jodi
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Pieter De Wit
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Ragnor
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Scott Howard