On the web page and I quote "Need some more information? Have a query you want answered? If so, use our support section to answer frequently asked questions (FAQ's). To talk to a friendly voice call 09 353 1481." Bet that guy wont be to friendly for long. I had not been following this issue last time it happened but what was the outcome from the DNC ? Best regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LIMITED Nelson, New Zealand DDI: + 64 3 544 9116 MOB: 027 4807731 http://www.brh.co.nz http://www.backupserver.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rielly [mailto:steve.rielly(a)extranet.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:56 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Domain Names NZ scam The physical address they have in the same building as us, two floors up. Its a 'virtual office' so theirs no one actually here, and information is emailed to an Australian e-mail address by the receptionists, so beating down someone's doors not going to work.

-----Original Message----- From: Tim John - Domainz [mailto:tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:47 To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: RE: [nznog] Domain Names NZ scam

Yep ! Had calls dribbling in here all morning ...

The DNC is aware and I'm sure things will be taken up by her.

Tim

-----Original Message----- From: jfp [mailto:jfp(a)clearfield.com] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:42 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Domain Names NZ scam

Some of our customers have just received scam domain renewal letters from Domain Names NZ. ($237 for two years) (www.domainnamesnz.com)

People might want to warn their customers.

jfp.

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jfp wrote:

The DNC are warning people to stay away http://dnc.org.nz/story/30143-29-1.html there's probably not much else they can do.

The Commerce Commission: Aug 2003 "In the meantime, the Commission will continue to look into this issue."

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/publications/display_mr.cfm?mr_id=1219

Oct 2003 "The Commerce Commission has formally warned Australian company Domain Names NZ ..." http://www.comcom.govt.nz/publications/display_mr.cfm?mr_id=1252

This is wet bus ticket stuff, basically nothing is being done about those people which is why they are doing it for the third time now.

The issue has been covered extensively in the media here and Australia as well, and the company and individual running it are currently being taken to court by the ACCC and AuDA across the ditch. If I understand it right, NZ's relatively open economy means you don't need anything in particular to trade here. No licence/permit, or physical presence even, thanks to the Internet and cheap phone and mail redirection services. Why anyone would want to deal with such an entity is beyond me, however. -- Juha

Steven Heath wrote:

In my opinion it is just more of the many scum aussie operators that just extend thier scams to include NZ.

Was just informed that the AuDA and ACCC court proceedings against Domain Names Pty Ltd will be heard on the 19th of next month. -- Juha

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Tikiri Wicks wrote:

Re: Domain Names NZ scam

Just wondering is anyone on this list a lawyer

I just got my second mail from these bastards. It's made out just like an invoice telling me to register my domain.net.nz

Unauthorized use of the domain name registry for commercial solicitation perhaps ? New Zealand Privacy law perhaps ? Is there anything like class action lawsuits in New Zealand and Australia?

Tikiri, I would encourage you to register a formal complaint with the Commerce Commission, even though it may seem pointless. The greater the number of squeaky wheels, etc. The AuDA has started a class action against Domain Names Australia Pty Ltd, the company that is trading in NZ as Domain Names NZ. It does seem a bit odd that the CER allows for scamming across both sides of the Tasman but no legal redress for Kiwis being taken for a ride by Aussie rogues. -- Juha Saarinen