Hi Everyone, Just curious if anyone has noticed a large increase in spam to their customers in the last while, in particular there seems to be a lot of stuff of asian origin, and a large percentage of them are in unreadable (to us) character sets (chinese, japanese, korean perhaps) with pictures and links to porn sites :-( Ordinary spam in english text is bad enough, but when there are explicit pictures within the email as well its just not on at all IMHO. Of the dozen or so that I decided to try and track back, 90% of the source mailservers are listed in either orbz or ordb as open relays. I wonder if the continued existance (perhaps increase) of open relays could make spam the next epidemic after email worms.... Regards, Simon iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote:
Just curious if anyone has noticed a large increase in spam to their customers in the last while, in particular there seems to be a lot of stuff of asian origin, and a large percentage of them are in unreadable (to us) character sets (chinese, japanese, korean perhaps) with pictures and links to porn sites :-(
Ordinary spam in english text is bad enough, but when there are explicit pictures within the email as well its just not on at all IMHO.
My best protected email account (my work one) is entirely spam free with the exception of these Korean spams. As you note, they very often have explicit pictures. I consistantly get one a day. The odd thing is, I haven't received them to any other account (most of which are fairly heavily spammed) -- Dylan Reeve - dylan(a)wibble.net It's just not cricket. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Spam is bad MMM-kay
Open relays are bad MMM-kay
Now the thing that I've been noticing lately is the increase of spam that
comes right to my door directly from the company from which it was sent.
Here's an example [headers modified, but wilbur is my mailhost]
Return-Path:
At 10:42 8/01/02 +1300, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Spam is bad MMM-kay Open relays are bad MMM-kay
Now the thing that I've been noticing lately is the increase of spam that comes right to my door directly from the company from which it was sent.
You're right of course, that some spammers are now sending mail straight to the destination mailserver particularly from dialup accounts and broadband connections with dynamic ip's, and it can be hard to detect or stop them because of it. But I still found in my sample of spam that well over 80% were via open relays, and open relays will always be popular for spammers because they can use them as a mail exploder. EG, they send one copy of a spam message over a dialup connection or other slow connection with hundreds of destination addresses and the open relay does the work expanding it, and delivering it to all the recipients with its high bandwidth connection... My worry is that while ordinary spam is damn annoying, this "new breed" of explicit spam is seriously tarnishing the image of the internet among the Joe average users who receive them. Yes, porn etc has always been easy to find on the internet, but you usually had to go looking for it. Now the porn comes looking for you :-( Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet PS, nearly all the open relays I found turned out to be running Exchange Server....*cough* :) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Hi all, Thats what happens when you put Joe Micro$crew (Mr average Windos user) in charge of an Internet connected system. Best regards, Michael. This message proudly sent to you from my desktop running KMail, via my Mail Server running Sendmail.... :-)
Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet
PS, nearly all the open relays I found turned out to be running Exchange Server....*cough* :)
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Spam is bad MMM-kay Open relays are bad MMM-kay
Now the thing that I've been noticing lately is the increase of spam that comes right to my door directly from the company from which it was sent.
So yes - SPAM is bad. But I don't think that JUST open relays are the answer now I'm seeing more and more of my spam coming from direct mailhosts.
I think it's just a case of making sure that providers have good AUP's and that they enforce them.
I think you're fighting a losing battle in many ways here. I'm old enough to remember spam free television. It worked because the money was supplied from the "public purse" via taxation or license fees and then the marketeers realised that there was a buck to made with adverts. Now I have to watch TV with remote in hand so that I can at least mute out the adverts. I'm also old enough to remember when the Internet was funded from the "public purse" and that meant that naughty people could be given the flick easily if they misbehaved. But now the Internet is largely constructed by and for the benefit of "Network Markitects" (with the compliance of engineers who need to eat and play with cool toys). These Markitects are cloned from the same genetic material as the direct mailhost spammers and believe that SPAM stands for "Specially Prepared Advertising Material". They generally see no reason for getting upset with spammers and why would they cut off the revenue stream from the traffic generated - get real! The model for advertising on the Internet was touted as 'ads on web pages' with click through etc. It's not exactly been a raging success - I'd hypothesise that these spammers you're upset about are the Satchi and Satchi of tomorrow. It's not going away and you have to learn to ignore it just like you have to ignore the ads on TV. And now that I have your attention... Make thousands of dollars now by improving your sex life and viewing unlimited porn - simply send.... Nah - just kidding! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Yep - I agree. I was just making the point that concentrating on Open Relays is not going to be much use for very much longer. I must be getting old too - I can remember the good times along with the rest of you =) Dean On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 09:15, Andy Linton wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote:
Spam is bad MMM-kay Open relays are bad MMM-kay
Now the thing that I've been noticing lately is the increase of spam that comes right to my door directly from the company from which it was sent.
So yes - SPAM is bad. But I don't think that JUST open relays are the answer now I'm seeing more and more of my spam coming from direct mailhosts.
I think it's just a case of making sure that providers have good AUP's and that they enforce them.
I think you're fighting a losing battle in many ways here.
I'm old enough to remember spam free television. It worked because the money was supplied from the "public purse" via taxation or license fees and then the marketeers realised that there was a buck to made with adverts. Now I have to watch TV with remote in hand so that I can at least mute out the adverts.
I'm also old enough to remember when the Internet was funded from the "public purse" and that meant that naughty people could be given the flick easily if they misbehaved.
But now the Internet is largely constructed by and for the benefit of "Network Markitects" (with the compliance of engineers who need to eat and play with cool toys). These Markitects are cloned from the same genetic material as the direct mailhost spammers and believe that SPAM stands for "Specially Prepared Advertising Material". They generally see no reason for getting upset with spammers and why would they cut off the revenue stream from the traffic generated - get real!
The model for advertising on the Internet was touted as 'ads on web pages' with click through etc. It's not exactly been a raging success - I'd hypothesise that these spammers you're upset about are the Satchi and Satchi of tomorrow. It's not going away and you have to learn to ignore it just like you have to ignore the ads on TV.
And now that I have your attention...
Make thousands of dollars now by improving your sex life and viewing unlimited porn - simply send....
Nah - just kidding!
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On 8 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote:
I was just making the point that concentrating on Open Relays is not going to be much use for very much longer.
Maybe not, but spammers certainly are certainly concentrating on open
relays.
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Theres an epidemic of companies in the USA who dont seem to give a (censored) about this sort of thing.. A shell company in New Jersey where I hold an account, was DDoS'd to the tune of 1.3Gbps (well, their upstream was). It took an FBI investigation and legal papers being served on rr.com before they actually took action against the perp... I for one have the highest respect for companies whos abuse desks actually sit up and listen. I avoid the rest like the plague. At 12:00 8/01/02 +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote:
On 8 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote:
I was just making the point that concentrating on Open Relays is not going to be much use for very much longer.
Maybe not, but spammers certainly are certainly concentrating on open relays.
*snip*
The first entry belongs to "eleads2succes.com" who have a /24 on Sprint. The second is Empire Towers/Poplaunch, who also have a /24 on sprint, plus another one on Qwest.
They've been hammering my MTA plus the ones at IDG hard... no action taken by Sprint or Qwest to stop them; Dave Null must work their abuse desks.
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What's bothering me with the increase in SPAM is SPAMCOP, which checks the Tech handle in the APNIC database for the allocated address space and emails me directly with a complaint about my customers spamming. I'm getting upwards of 100 messages a day from it now. Which is not so relevant to me anymore as it's been a while since I was in NetGate, they should trace to the end Service Provider anyway. Suppose I should get someone to update those Database records Huh !! Arron Scott -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Byrnand Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 9:52 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Spam on the increase ? Hi Everyone, Just curious if anyone has noticed a large increase in spam to their customers in the last while, in particular there seems to be a lot of stuff of asian origin, and a large percentage of them are in unreadable (to us) character sets (chinese, japanese, korean perhaps) with pictures and links to porn sites :-( Ordinary spam in english text is bad enough, but when there are explicit pictures within the email as well its just not on at all IMHO. Of the dozen or so that I decided to try and track back, 90% of the source mailservers are listed in either orbz or ordb as open relays. I wonder if the continued existance (perhaps increase) of open relays could make spam the next epidemic after email worms.... Regards, Simon iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Doesnt spamcop give you the ability to list a particular contact address for this purpose? At 09:59 9/01/02 +1300, Arron Scott wrote:
What's bothering me with the increase in SPAM is SPAMCOP, which checks the Tech handle in the APNIC database for the allocated address space and emails me directly with a complaint about my customers spamming. I'm getting upwards of 100 messages a day from it now.
Which is not so relevant to me anymore as it's been a while since I was in NetGate, they should trace to the end Service Provider anyway. Suppose I should get someone to update those Database records Huh !!
Arron Scott
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:59:27AM +1300, Arron Scott wrote: What's bothering me with the increase in SPAM is SPAMCOP, which checks the Tech handle in the APNIC database for the allocated address space and emails me directly with a complaint about my customers spamming. I'm getting upwards of 100 messages a day from it now. Which is not so relevant to me anymore as it's been a while since I was in NetGate, they should trace to the end Service Provider anyway. Suppose I should get someone to update those Database records Huh !! Are you still getting these? SpamCop was using stale cached NIC records... I contacted them a few weeks ago and they purged the cache. If you've still got problems let me know and I'll grovel through my email and find out who I was dealing with. --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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