Re: bank.nz maori.nz geek.nz
In message <20020827040606.GX83446(a)buffoon.automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 03:51:16PM +1200, Ewen McNeill wrote:
IMHO the reason for requiring a justification for creating 2lds is to ensure that they are created with some thought as to how they will be sub delegated, [....]
Nobody gave any thought to how domains under neos.co.nz might be delegated before they agreed to delegate the name to you. I don't really see why bank.nz should be any different.
I assume you mean naos.co.nz; neos.co.nz is held by Eyecatchers Design Ltd. It's higher up the delegation hierachy, so there are more people that might want it. (A more obvious example in my case would be mcneill.gen.nz which I also hold -- and in that instance you might well argue that someone _should_ have considered how it'd have been delegated first, and I'd agree with you.)
The alternative that some are suggesting (a free for all in the second level domain space) would basically ensure that the same "land grab" that happened in .com happens in .nz [....]
I'm not sure that domain fever is still at the pitch it was a few years ago. Certainly a couple of the new gTLD registry operators seem to be disappointed that it isn't.
Perhaps not. But I'm fairly sure there'd be land grab all the same. At very least, those that think that the Banker's Association would be the ones to get bank.nz (and the same for all the other obvious delegations) show an, umm, touching faith in human nature.
As I said earlier today, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that $foo-the-movie.nz (and variations thereupon) is somehow better than $foo.movie.nz
Why do you need one?
Because otherwise I think (a) a structured set of second level domains makes much more sense than the alternatives; and (b) we should approve any request that has a reasonable sub-delegation policy.
If we collapse the namespace so that it becomes "whatever you can get" under .nz, then we might as well give up any pretense that they're "obvious" and hand them out like ASNs. At least there'd be less call for "special" names -- once 42 and a few others had been handed out.
That's a strange comparison. ASNs are a mucher scarcer resource than names, they're much more expensive and difficult to get hold of, and you get whatever number the RIR decides to give you, regardless of preference.
That was precisely my point. That if we're going to give up any pretence of structure, we might as well go the whole hog and make them be arbitrary tokens that you get give by someone when you want a fixed arbitrary token. (The scarcity of obtaining ASNs is only because of the small number space for them; we could make it many times bigger and that problem would go away too.)
And then someone could build a directory service over the top of that offering a one-to-many mapping.
We could turn one largely flat namespace into another largely flat namespace, and *never have to hear about delegation of bank.nz again*. Imagine that :)
We could all vote "yes" for bank.nz and never have to hear about the deleation of bank.nz again. Imagine that. :-) Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 04:16:06PM +1200, Ewen McNeill wrote:
In message <20020827040606.GX83446(a)buffoon.automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes:
Nobody gave any thought to how domains under neos.co.nz might be delegated before they agreed to delegate the name to you. I don't really see why bank.nz should be any different.
I assume you mean naos.co.nz; neos.co.nz is held by Eyecatchers Design Ltd.
Assuming Eyecatchers Design Ltd is not a trading name for Ewen McNeill, you are correct :)
It's higher up the delegation hierachy, so there are more people that might want it.
I don't see that. Seems to me that the people who really care about what names they get will register the names wherever they can. That being the case, there are probably the same number of people who want $name.co.nz as there are who would want $name.nz.
I'm not sure that domain fever is still at the pitch it was a few years ago. Certainly a couple of the new gTLD registry operators seem to be disappointed that it isn't.
Perhaps not. But I'm fairly sure there'd be land grab all the same.
I'm sure there would be, but land grabs can be managed, as I mentioned. I certainly don't see why the TLD manager or the registry should be in the business of preventing people from registering names. Surely the idea is to make registration as easy and painless as possible.
As I said earlier today, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that $foo-the-movie.nz (and variations thereupon) is somehow better than $foo.movie.nz
Why do you need one?
Because otherwise I think (a) a structured set of second level domains makes much more sense than the alternatives; and (b) we should approve any request that has a reasonable sub-delegation policy.
There might be an appearance of structure in the way things are currently organised, but I would suggest that close scrutiny of the names registered within the current hierarchy don't illustrate the point particularly well. The namespace is almost flat today. Flat hierarchies aren't particular hierarchical. I almost agree with your point (b), except that in my mind there is no unreasonable sub-delegation policy, and consequently no need for any "we" or "approve".
That was precisely my point. That if we're going to give up any pretence of structure, we might as well go the whole hog and make them be arbitrary tokens that you get give by someone when you want a fixed arbitrary token.
The same logic would seem to suggest issuing arbitrary tokens under CO.NZ. However, that does not appear to be a problem seeking a solution at present.
(The scarcity of obtaining ASNs is only because of the small number space for them; we could make it many times bigger and that problem would go away too.)
We could make them 63-byte character strings. Hey! We could introduce some structure to them, so you can search for ASNs without using a whois server! All we need now is a not-for-profit organisation with a multi-million dollar annual budget to manage it for us! We could have meetings in Africa!
We could all vote "yes" for bank.nz and never have to hear about the deleation of bank.nz again. Imagine that. :-)
Why settle for a temporary cessation of symptoms when there's a permanent cure for the disease? Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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